> the way you did the registration is pure garbage.
> [...] wheres the problem of changing the key to
> the new machine? you could block the old key in
> a newer update

I guess you didn't want to reply to me. But you did as the threaded view shows. Please pay more attention in future of who you reply to.

> and btw, the old key would be still useless,
> cause it wont run on other machines.

It won't, right. But that wouldn't render it useless. It would continue running on the old machine.

> you'll lose more users that way it is now, in
> case hardware dies. think about it...

See advice above.

Can't something be programmed into MorphOS, like Microsoft's WGAcheck ?

You put all the unvalid licenses in an encrypted database in Morphos and some kind of spyware in morphos checks it during startup. License unvalid --> back to demo-mode and notification to you and since you perfectly know who owned that licensecode, you may want to take further actions.

To get the database updated or the notification send, only release fixes for Morphos via program like WindowsUpdate or AmiUpdate, that also updates the unvalid license database on the machine.

Nobody can use the argument: "I can't use the updates for Morphos" ... because they had to download Morphos in the first place.

A lot of software for windows uses similar protections these days. I also know a lot is getting hacked, but since you are the only ones who give out keyfiles.. it's easy to source who is not playing by the rules.

[ Edited by Oepabakkes on 2008/11/7 13:05 ]

> Nobody can use the argument: "I can't use the
> updates for Morphos"

And what about "I don't want to update because [random reason]"? One cannot be forced to update.

hey, dont get offtopic, it just ruins the thread. please keep that in mind for future postings.

>Can't something be programmed into MorphOS, like Microsoft's WGAcheck ?

You put all the unvalid licenses in an encrypted database in Morphos and some kind of spyware in morphos checks it during startup. License unvalid --> back to demo-mode and notification to you and since you perfectly know who owned that licensecode, you may want to take further actions.
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Oh goodness please no!

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No, no. We can't rely on having the update servers forever available.

I still think that it would be the best to get 2nd copy for clearly reduced price. Usually the first one will stay in use too, but mostly less used. Or maybe it will be sold to other person, but it still would stick only for that certain computer. Not much harm in it I think.

And I don't think any developer is doing this for living. They surely do deserve get paid for their work, but I don't think it's their primary reason for doing this. So some kind of compromise would be needed.

@ Andreas

Who says someone has to be forced to update ?

@ jPV

you don't have to rely on update servers ... even when they are gone someday ... nothing would change if you have valid license...

I am not saying Morphos should stop working if can't reach the server.



[ Edited by Oepabakkes on 2008/11/7 19:55 ]

[ Edited by Oepabakkes on 2008/11/7 19:57 ]

[ Edited by Oepabakkes on 2008/11/7 19:58 ]

Can we get the updates then if we want to reinstall our system?

not a bad argument ... I would say yes, if you could download them.. but then you would be able to distribute the updates.... bollocks

Well the only sollution I see then, is a protection like windows Vista has or something like it and otherwise it has to stay like it is now.

How about steam type verification, maybe once a week the system would have to check for the license? That would allow transferring the license to another computer and it would be easy to disable for the other als there would be a week time to authentica incase the license server is down? If MOS would decide to halt all development and shutdown thee servers, then they could just patch MOS to work without license.

erm, forget about all that spyware stuff, i want a clean system, this hardware dongeling is dirty enough.

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If MorphOS goes to just "licenses" instead of hardcoding it to your hardware, it'll end up getting cracked, just like Windows.

I'm sure there's a way to do that with MorphOS now but as small as the "scene" is, its drawn no interest even from crackers.

You just have to put yourself in their shoes...they did the work and I'm sure what they are charging is nothing compared to the amount of time they put in, especially if you divide $250 by the # of developers.

shi*, give them some slack man.

[ Edited by TheMagicM on 2008/11/7 17:23 ]

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No, no, no. I wouldn't accept anything relying on network connection or any kind of external checks. System must be usable without internet connection and must be reinstallable etc. I guess the hardware tied license is the safest way overall, as the devs have thought too. Then you can do whatever, whenever and where ever you want with your hardware and the OS.

User based keyfile would be the best from user point of view, but that would make illegal distributing too easy. Hardware based keyfile will work until one user want several licenses. I think that should be solved like giving the discount I've suggested earlier. And they could limit the amount of discounted keys per user to avoid the unfair supplying to others. And I think there's no problem if you want to sell your used computer with a MorphOS license to another person. Key is tied to HW and there shouldn't be any problem why new owner couldn't use it 2nd hand. The rare situations of breakdown could be inspected case by case or user just would buy new discounted license, which wouldn't hurt that bad. Otherwise I don't see many situations when user would want to remove license from working HW, MorphOS supported HW is made to run MorphOS anyway :)


[ Edited by jPV on 2008/11/8 11:18 ]

How about giving users a choise? For people who would like their key to work with other machines there would be an online verification option and for those who wants their license to work without internet connection could buy the hardware tied key.

Either way the current system is pissing off way too many users.

[ Edited by Painkiller on 2008/11/10 8:07 ]

I don't think the current system is that bad overall, but I think the main gripe people have, is that it's expensive. I mean, if were $50 or 50 euro or whatever, it wouldn't be such a big thing, but right now it's most of $300 US to get MOS out of demo mode on one machine.

It is what it is people-MorphOS devs deserve the dinero. I only wish I had it to give them

Plus my Efika seems to have croaked, so there is that. Glad I didn't register it before that.

It could be worse-right now you're looking at almost a grand to run OS 4-either with a hopped up A1200, assuming you can find the PPC card-or the SAM route, which is new but kind of underpowered for the steep price.

@ Tronman

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For clarification, the USD conversion rate for 1 EUR was 1.26 as of Friday, November 14. Therefore, the cost of a single license key would be about 189 USD.

Even at the peak of the Euro value, the price was never even close to $300.

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My license key is on a USB stick.

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Maybe he was thinking in Canadian Dollars!