Congratulations on releasing MorphOS 3.20! I have yet to upgrade my installation, but the jump in graphical support, new 1st party programs, and upgrade in the file system are very welcome.

I don't think this was mentioned in the release notes, but I wanted to bring it up here anyways just in case:

In MorphOS 3.20, the new Smart File System 2 recognizes individual files larger than 4GB and partition sizes larger than 128GB now, but does the new SFS2 have the same 107-character limitation for file name length as the old SFS?

@Piru & Jacad:
Thank you very much for explanation!
I don't know what programs have installed that dir or write files to SYSTEM:LIBS/XAD. I haven't installed anyting knowingly there......
But it seems to be very old, because I can see even it on my oldest backup (about 10 years ago, but some files seems to be changed by the years) and I never had a look on it.
(Shame on me, that I haven't recognized this earlier)

I installed v3.20 and now if I start JukeBox then 15 seconds after I do my whole MorphOS system "freezes"! requiring a hard reboot.

I have started JukeBox a few times, and it seems to be just 15 seconds before it completely freezes my whole system each time. Sometimes there is a very brief high pitch tone as it completely freezes.

If I run the older version of JukeBox then sometimes it continues to play the audio (mp3) file, but the screenbar freezes, with the track "ticker" halting, and usually just a few seconds later the whole of Ambient generates a "Meditation", but then a moment or two after that totally freezes MorphOS.

I have never had this issue with MorphOS previously, and I am a loss as to what has caused this to occur. I have currently installed and have running v3.20 on my A1145 iMac (iSight) system. I am not going to install v3.20 on my other systems at the moment, in fact I am seriously considering re-initialising v3.19, but I will wait for a response from others to see if this is repeatable on other systems.

Initially I tried DAPlayer v1.14 to see if I could play MP3s on that player, but initially it froze. However, as I type this text I have been running DAPlayer with quite a few MP3s, and it is playing without issue, and has been playing for about 30-45 mins without any problem.

I can "Play" a MP3 as an individual file by double-clicking on it, and letting MorphOS interpret what it is and play it without any issue, with the usual track title/artist loading into the screenbar with the usual pause "||" and stop "[]" track playing controls.

[EDIT] I am also running Wayfarer v11.3 without any issues (that I am aware of) - DAPlayer is still playing the MP3 files trouble-free.

[EDIT 2] I have now "swapped" v3.19 of MorphOS (MOSSYS) with v3.20 - JukeBox is now running as NORMAL - so there MUST be something wrong with v3.20's installation files on my system (or worse still on the MorphOSBoot CD or other MorphOS v3.20 installation media) to affect JukeBox's normal operations, and cause the whole MorphOS system to lock-up/freeze.

I obviously cannot run v11.3 of Wayfarer as a result of the ICU files missing from the MOSSYS installation, but I am back using v11.2 while, and so, this matter can be investigated and rectified.

I just updated my Mac Mini. It works great and without any problems. Thanks!

@Newsense:

Had in the past sometimes troubles with mui-prefs of different programs after updating MOS. They show similar, strange behaviour as your Jukebox. Rename or delete MUI-Prefs (PREFS/ENV-ARCHIVE/MUI/Jukebox.cfg and jukebox.prefs) and reboot after that.
Jukebox is running flawless here (MOS 3.20 on G5, PB, MINI, EFIKA).
Perhaps this helps.....

@ Amigaharry2 - I have only swapped v3.20's MOSSYS with v3.19's MOSSYS, and that has restored normal functioning of Jukebox. I value having a working system.

MOSSYS is the one part of MorphOS that is not supposed to be "tinkered" with, UNLESS EXPLICITLY instructed to do so, and in any case, and as a result of that exclucivity, there are no allowed modified Preferences in it, MUI based or any others, AND YET, that swap has restored normal functionality of MOSSYS, and my system does not "freeze" - I can now use it once more as normal.

I feel certain that the issue is in v3.20''s MOSSYS. If that is a data issue when it was installed, or due to some overlooked inconsistensies when assembled by the Dev.Team, as the "freeze" seemed to be be too easy to consistently repeat and collapse my system.

Renaming the MorphOS folder should indead not have any effect.

However, new components in MOSSYS: may override stuff in SYS:, so using the old folder could switch back to the prior classes/libraries.

Therfore: If you have any Reggae classes installed in sys:, then you should start there. Reggae got updated alot and especially the flac drivers are new and may cause trouble with other/mixed old components.

Quote:As I thought it wouldn't.
Quote: As I also suspected (expected) that, but to get my system back functional, i.e. not crashing ("freezing"), then I felt I had no alternative immediately available to me.
Quote: What would install Reggae classes in SYS, as I feel sure I have not "messed about" with any Reggae classes, and it seems like the installation / update should handle known NEW incompatibilities during any installation / update.

How is a user supposed to know how to "address" such a problem?

I cannot move forward to v3.20 IF the problem is centralised in MOSSYS of v3.20, and it is "clashing", and "crashing" it's own system, can I?

Currently I am relying on the "other/old/mixed" components to "keep me afloat"!

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Well, the Chrysalis (what ever. I cannot spell this name correct), probably delivered and installed classes. That is why me did not support this package in the first place. It installes so many stuff in so many places the user has not overview or what stuff is for which application.

By SYS: I did not mean literally SYS:, but SYS:Classes/Multimedia or something like that, as almost any MOSSYS: folder has a mirrored folder in sys:.

Especially the FLAC type was only available thirdparty for a long time and there are probably others.

The 3.20 MorphOS Folder is probably not the culprit here. Just because the folder overrides the common folders in SYS:, it does not mean this always works properly. If you launch a third party tool, which addresses "SYS:Classes/Multimedia/blah.class" It is loading that specific class, even so there is a more modern version in MOSSYS:Classes/Multimedia. If you then launch an application that does use the normal path on open "Multimedia/blah.class", the loader will check memory, then PROGDIR:Classes, then MOSSYS:Classes, then SYS:Classes. If the old class was already in memory this could mean the old class got into the new environment.

There are plenty ways of rendering stuff crashing. The MorphOS Team cannot counter attack any issue may be cause by the user or installed software. That is not how it works.

So: Check your SYS:Classes/ and SYS:Libs if there is any suspicious stuff. It works for other people, so your installation has probably broken software on it, that causes issues, when combined with 3.20 components.

If this colliding piece of software is faulty or if the MorphOS Team did a mistake and broke compatibility, is unknown until you find the culprit.

So instead of renaming the MorphOS folder away, start renaming the classes/libraries away and see if that fixes things.



[ Edited by geit 05.06.2026 - 07:57 ]

@ Geit - there are only 2 (two) files in my Classes / Multimedia directory namely:

flac.demuxer 51.1 (07/10/2011) © 2012 Grzegorz Kraszewski
flac.decoder 51.1 (07/10/2012) © 2012 Grzegorz Kraszewski

I have checked my Classes and Libraries directories and there is nothing in those directories that seem to be unnecessary or out-of-date AFAIK. (see email for full list)

Bear in mind that just swapping out the MOSSYS directory for the previous installation has resolved the issue with Jukebox, so surely it is something that is causing the issue within that directory (MOSSYS), or some file that Jukebox needs - within 15 seconds of being started that is the trigger for this severe incompatibility.

If you can identify which libraries and other resources are required and used by Jukebox when it runs, then I could look more precisely at those specific files, as it seemed like it was a direct "hit" on one of those files that caused the "freeze".

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How about deleting the files you just mentioned and test? I predicted exactly these files in my comment above. They not only are obsolete, but also outdated.

There is also SYS:Classes/MUI/HTMLView which is not only bullshit, but also the wrong location for reggae files.

I strongly suggest to backup your system and setup the system without using Crysalidis. There are tons of files that are outdated and probably never used anyway. You currently are wasting tons of disk space with stuff you never use and the time of every MorphOS Team member involved in your fault finding.

However. As I said by installing the Crysalidis your system is no longer supported. If you install stuff one by one you would have known what stuff you installed before the problem occurred. This was communicated several times in the past. It was also communicated that you need to install Crysalidis in a fresh install, so updating Crysalidis on an already used system is a bad idea. As well as updating MorphOS later on, when Crysalidis is already installed. Performing a clean install is recommented everytime you install Crysalidis or MorphOS (update or not)

It is not the job of the MorphOS Team to fix systems the user messed up in the first place.

Maybe it is time to learn yourself how to fix issues you caused by not following instructions yourself, instead of demanding, yelling and crying around that the MorphOS Team changed something that caused issues. I wonder who fixes your Windows, Linux oder MacOS systems and whom you make responsible for errors on those systems.

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No it is not! That is what you think. I already explained that in another post above.

You are on your own now, since this is the second issue caused by Crysalidis, which you installed and we (The MorphOS Team) have no control of.

Crysalidis is nice to find out what is possible on a fresh MorphOS install. You should install the software by yourself and use something less invasiv like Easy2Install and cherry pick the software you really need instead of dumping the entire MorphOS files onto your harddrive.

[ Edited by geit 05.06.2026 - 08:10 ]

@NewSense: seems you have a problem with "Chrysalis" pack and not MorphOS 3.20. Thanks to contact me if you have a problem with it. This thread is for a fresh install of MorphOS 3.20 i think.

With time, Chrysalis is became obsolete, replaced by Easy2Install.

Seems you have twice FLAC decoders now: SYS:Classes/Multimedia/ (installed in old Chrysalis pack and obsolete) and MOSSYS:Classes/Multimedia/ (MorphOS 3.20) and make troubles?

I will remove old FLAC decoder on morphos-storage too.

@ geit - I have now stripped the files that seem to have become duplicated in my System, over time, mainly back to 2012 it seems, and checked what files are in MOSSYS as a comparison to ensure this is correct. (please check email with more details).
I will try v3.20 in a short while and see if this issue I reported is now resolved, and let you know.

@ papiosaur - Thanks for your suggestions, and I have now "cleansed" my system of old, and seemingly duplicated files that could well have been compromising MorphOS, and it could well have been the Chrysalis Pack that "dumped" most of these old files into my system (not that there were that many) but enough to make them quite obvious, now that I have had to get my "digital digits dirty", but thanks for the offer of help, but I think I have found a possible candidate for being the culprit duplicate file as "EnvyHT24" which is an Audiomode that has been replaced in this update, and is probably the one that has brought all these issues to a light "freeze" . . . the hard way !

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I have also this XAD directory and no problem with Wayfarer 1.13.
This directory is used, among others, by Voodoo-X the archive viewer/manager.
As Piry said, it's the old buggy 68k Tar client with cause the crash.

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Yes, 107 characters.


[ Edited by Daff 05.06.2026 - 12:37 ]

I will realize a tool to detect anomalies (obsolete files, etc...) and propose to fix them.

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Stupid question. There were strange files in SYS:Classes/MUI/HTMLView. There is a number of .decoder files. Not sure what they do, but from the naming they sound like reggae classes, which where misplaced.

Any change those are part of crysalidis as well?

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These .decoders are part of MCC-HTMLview_13.44.lha (available on storage) and installed in Chrysalis pack in SYS:Classes/MUI/HTMLview/

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I guess those can also cause trouble. Especially if they are not reggae as the name suggests. A subfolder in mui and file without .mcc/.mcp that screams for trouble.

These SYS:Classes/MUI/HTMLview/*.decoder are part of/ and used only by HTMLview.mcc no?

It's not a path for Reggae classes and used by others software i think.

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Something like that could be useful. You just need to compare main folders like libs, classes, fonts, locale. l, c, data, ...

Just make sure to properly deal with folder in sys:data path. Some data is meant to override settings and configs by using the same name, while binaries in mossys:data are meant to be unique.

Some dual comparing view like with Rival, but in a more specific way excluding applications, games, utilities and such. Allowing to dump files from the SYS: side into a trashcan like vault, where they are out of the way and can be wiped or restored later.

Great. No I wrote the information for Claude myself.

@Geit: i think a compare between MOSSYS: and SYS: paths is good but not suffisant. I will add the compare of version and md5 from original ISO files too.

Normally old flac.decoder and flac.demuxer in Chrysalis pack don't should create troubles if there are new version in MOSSYS: isn't it?

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No error code, just a time out ("Zeitüerschreitung beim Laden von morph.zone ..."). Also in system debug log there's nothing.
CPU load is low. No difference whether Ethernet, Atheros pcmcia card or bcm43 Apple card. Same issue on Mac Mini, Pb 5.6 and iMacG5
Haven't found any other misbehavoiur of the system and Wayfarer 3.12 ist just running fine and stable.

It's strange but eventually no biggie as 3.12 is running fine. Am curious already if 3.14 will run fine or fail on my setups...

If there's anything I can do to dig deeper I'll happily do.

@ geit - I'm back, but you'll find out soon (via email in detail) that . . .

Sadly, you were wrong . . . It is v3.20 for iMac G5 A1145 [mine]/ A1144 [untested/not owned] (It's a FAIL)

Someone (or maybe even sometwo or more) in the MorphOS Development Team did not do their homework correctly for the iMac hardware that you support . . .

As it locks up the whole system on a vanilla install on my iMac A1145 when you load any MP3 file into Jukebox from a playlist.

I don't take pleasure in passing this information along, but v3.20 needs either fixing or a fix to solve the issues I have identified, and proved (via direct testing and reporting back by email to members of the MOS Dev. Team).

Nice to know that you are all human . . . like the rest of us!