And now the PLP's answer to Corbyn is a lobbyist for big pharma.

Why. Don't. They. Just. Not. Get. It.

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I know you are being rhetorical but this is probably why:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/basics/sociopathy
https://www.psychologytoday.com/basics/narcissism

I liked Frau May's accusations against him yesterday. First was the claim that he was bending the rules to further his own career when he's actually one of the few that isn't.

The other was the unscrupulous boss who doesn't listen to his workers. The real analogy is that he's a good boss who listens to his workers and not the useless layer of self interested middle managers.

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I did think that was hilariously hypocritical coming from a Tory - they fully support unscrupulous and downright sociopathic bosses under the euphemisms of "hard-nosed businessman", "wealth creator" and "entrepreneur". If there was any single being on the planet that most personifies modern Conservatism, it's the unscrupulous boss.

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Great analogy Rob! :)

To put May's strange comments into context, it was the PLP bleating that Corbyn threatened to sack them. Actually, what he said is that there will be a full, open, democratic and fair selection process for all Labour seats - a very different prospect. Unless you are the PLP of course, and hate democracy and plebs.

Yes, this is how fcked up British politics is. We have a whole generation of MPs who pull every dirty trick to avoid the voters actually having any say.

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My son's MP tweeted something along the lines of "Poor people aren't interested in politics so it doesn't matter that we are charging 25 quid to let people vote".

When my son (who is a member of McCabe's CLP) questioned him about this he just blocked him without replying lol

He reminds me of this character: https://youtu.be/hcxs-CH4kG0

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All governments are this way, or moving toward this way of "non-representation" for their voters. In the USA, it has been a long process to take away voter's rights and replace them with the wishes of corporate priorities.

A recent study in the USA showed that over the last 20 years or more, 90% of the top things the voters asked for were ignored by the politicians who (are supposed to) represent them, and the actions of congress are controlled by special interest groups (corporations).

For the few of you on this forum who live in the USA, I urge you to check out this site Anti-CorruptionAct.org and to support and share the information on that site with everyone you know. It appears to be one of the most rational suggested solutions to many of our social, economical, and political problems we face today, and in the future. I believe it is something that is long over due, and hope that we can succeed in getting such anti-corruption acts passed in all 50 states and finally at the federal level.

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Grassroots action doesn't help. It gets co-opted early on (see Tea Party), or ends up forgotten by voter apathy. If it had helped, we wouldn't be seeing all these major upsets caused by protest voting. Maybe voters are too dim, maybe they are too disinterested in politics, who knows. But they are getting angrier, and anger seems a much better catalyst for change than grassroots realpolitik.

We've reached the point of the protest vote, which may or may not change things but it certainly winds up the elite political classes no end. It's no coincidence that the Parliamentary Labour Party we're talking about ignored their constituents for decades about immigration. Instead of trying to smooth over things, they called people racists and used all sort of dirty tricks to silence them or intimidate them into silence. The result: Labour's worst ever defeats, and Brexit. The rise of the far right (UKIP), and the rise of the almost-forgotten traditional left (Corbyn). We might have got here sooner if we hadn't all been distracted by the banks crashing.

In the US it's Trump and his wall, with voters seemingly fed up of candidates in the pockets of corporate interests, or liberal progressives advocating open doors when the only time they see immigrants is when their gardener has to stay late to finish. Despite endless prediction of Trump's failure I forecast Hillary Clinton will be in charge of the Democrat's worse crushing in its history. But don't count on the political classes learning their lesson -- they just don't seem to be getting the message here.

Trump as POTUS is about the worst thing that could happen, IMO, though I am certainly no fan of Hillary. I would like to see an Independent really win the election, but unfortunately, too many Americans don't believe any Independent can win a presidential election. Radical changes are needed, but electing a foolish clown to make a point clear to the establishment, is not a good option, or solution, as it will likely lead to some disaster or other, during his term in office.

It is sad when there are NO good choices to vote for, and all candidates are criminals, fools, and/or lying bastards!

This former Welsh assembly minister seems to have forgotten who was Labour leader during the last general election, and has failed to grasp why so many voters who traditionally supported Labour in Scotland switched allegiance to the SNP.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-36869020

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There were over 2000 of us present at Corbyn's leadership campaign launch yesterday in Salford. Owen Smith was lucky to get 200 present at his later on.

There are 640,000 party members now, that's more than all the other political parties in the country combined. After the 2010 General Election we only had 180,000 members.

The right-wing of the party are bricking it.

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He also seems to forget that Blair's Labour continued the same neoliberal economic policies that saw Wales transformed from powerhouse of mining and industry to the world's greatest consumer of White Lightning in mere years.

Seriously Rob, what is it with Wales? Scotland consistently votes differently from England: we're irreconcilably politically different and it will eventually end in independence, whether one year or fifty years. Every policy voted for by the London and the Home Counties is destructive to us, and every policy we choose is anathema to them.

This is true also of Wales, but everyone but the Welsh seem to notice. Your country is chronically underfunded, and the Tory dream of the happy homeowner with the Lexus isfar from the wages of the average Welshman. They're building HS2 now to turn the west into yet another dormitory for London commuters. Why is it you don't chafe at being shackled to Thatcher's rotting corpse?

And breaking news from the other side of the pond:

US Democratic Party chair to resign after leaked emails suggest party insiders tried to sabotage Sanders campaign

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Typical!

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https://youtu.be/Ccmj2Lj5jB0