Yes, I like OS4 and I have a couple OS4 developer/betatester friends as well.

I think there's no need for anomisity, it will take a few months if not years for them to reach where we are now. Plus there are a few things in MorphOS, which I'd surely miss in OS4, but having that OS (along with all the others) would be nice nevertheless.

A bit annoying side of things is the anomisity among AmigaONE users towards us (we are just as well guilty in that to the same degree I presume), and the "revolutionary" effect of all the things which already existed in MorphOS - some even since years.

Sorry for derailing the thread, but honestly: I respect their efforts, and they are not an inch better or worse than us. We have a more mature, more state of the art solution in our hands at the moment, but even MorphOS is not finished yet. (And hopefully never be _really_ finished. )

(Now where is that flame thrower and asbestos suit of mine... )

[ Edited by warface on 2004/7/28 15:41 ]

Quote:From the Earth to the Moon (HBO) got 17 Emmy nominations. One of them was for Special Effects.
On that page I have gathered a bunch of links that you can explore. Plus, a few images from some of the shots we worked on.

Frank Herbert's DUNE was shown on the SciFi Channel and here I have my articles where I explain some of my work.
I haven't had time yet to do the same for Chidren Of Dune. Both got several Emmy nominations and won Emmy's for Special Effects.

I worked on alot of other crappy films, but that's fairly standard. I don't generally mention the crap because, well, it's crap

The only reason for mentioning films like "Hologram Man" and others is because that was long enough ago where we were using Amigas (and IFX, LightWave) to create the effects. The company had to get Macs and Pc's later to keep up. by then Amiga companies just dropped the ball. but we know about that!

as for the AmigaOne: it's looking good. naturally, i don't own this system so i can't play with it anytime i want (unlike the peg), but my impression so far is that it's coming along nicely. I was able to play an AVI that was made by the AROS folks on the new beta MooVid. it looked slightly pixelated, but heck, i'm fussy. anyway, it's a Beta, so i'm not going to get to anal. the fact that it played imprressed me! (it doesn't play on my windows! who knows what stupid thing i have to find to get to play. but i hate installing stuff on my windows because you never know what bad thing may happen if you add something new to windows. this is why i will always dislike this OS. it sucks. period)

back to OS4: I also installed ZoneXplorer but as this was not written for the AmigaOne, it only runs the 68k version. mind you, it works, but it's going to be a bit slower than the version you run on a peg.

but it does work!

I also installed PowerIcons and that works just dandy!

There is alot in the GUI to configure. some of these things work and some still are being developed. but it's obvious that I can really make things very much my own right now (if i had one).

one thing i want to explore are fonts. and how ttruetype fonts (for example) are handled. once i have an understanding of that, i'll be able to really see how well IFX handles my IFX scripts!

anyway, I see all this OS4 / MOS as healthy competiion! yes! Healthy! right now it seems that most programs can run on both - in one form or another, and this has to be good for developers.

people have to stop thinking that a computer can only be a "desktop". that's old fashioned thinking. sooner than we realize, computer parts can be inside our bodies!
(for example)

so lets try to stay away from the fighting nonsense and move into the future!

@magnetic

Understood...in fact one of my suggestions was to make it an 'alternative PPC platform show' or look around for such a thing that we could join with.

Steve

[edit] P.S. The request still stands, if you can think of better ways to do things or new things to do...feel free to send suggestions etc. to any of the linked email addresses on SACC homepage. I see that Charles posed here already...which is cool :D [/edit]

[ Edited by JKD on 2004/7/28 13:40 ]

>From the Earth to the Moon (HBO) got 17 Emmy nominations. One of them was for Special Effects.

Ah, I bought the DVD set...

>Frank Herbert's DUNE was shown on the SciFi Channel and here I have my
>articles where I explain some of my work.
>I haven't had time yet to do the same for Chidren Of Dune. Both got several
>Emmy nominations and won Emmy's for Special Effects.

Saw it, too. :)

Hi cecilia,

Thanks
Very nice indeed!


And yes, I totally agree with the healthy competition!

Bye,

Spidey

Hey there MorphOS folks. If you want to see a bigger and better AmiWest show, then get involved with the SACC group. Volunteers are what make the AmiWest shows run. While everyone want a glitzy venue in a posh city, I'm sure people would be very happy with a full/busy show in Sacramento.

SACC wants to start planning for AmiWest 2005 and the 20th anniversary of Amiga. We expect that Amiga will take big strides in 2005 and we want to ride that wave. If you want to help, let us know. I'm sure the SACC board could put up a forum to help us all corrdinate the effort to make a great show. What do you think?

Charles
Sacramento

thanks Charles,
yes, a forum is a good idea!

Is it 1000$ for the naked MicroA1 board with CPU or a complete system???

As noted, that price appears to include:

128MB of SODIMM RAM
the CPU card (was quoted as 800MHz G4)

And onboard are the following:

Radeon 7000 with 32MB RAM
Single PCI slot (riser is optional)
Onboard (6ch ?) sound that works (unlike A1 XE)
VGA Out
TV (+SVideo?) Out
2xUSB Ports
2xPS/2 Ports
SP/DIF (?)
Ethernet port
Parallel Port
Serial Port
Firewire Port

Quote:
That's not true. Both Bill Borsari and I had Internet access on our OS4.0 machines.

Cheers,
Rich

Quote:
My excuse is that American Airlines managed to kill my hard drive en route to the show.

But I was also showing native versions of Freespace (with native Warp3D), PPC Moovid, some SDL games, and a PPC version of SBase 4.

BTW, it was good to meet you at the show, Steve. Proof that MorphOS and OS4 users can be friendly towards each other.

Cheers,
Rich

Quote:

All all for comming back again to show the latest developments of the Pegasos and Morphos as long as we get some fair treatment. Weather it was an accident or not we had no sign and we were never announced for demos. We had a lot of great things to show and couldnt get it al put out like we wanted. If it wasnt for all the one on one we would have just sat there un-noticed. I had several people at the end come up and say they didnt even know we were back there showing the Pegasos II and MorphOS.

Quote:that's because you need a loud, obnoxious voice like mine!

It would have been nice to see Freespace :D

Was that a hardware accelerated Freespace on OS4 too??? That would
have been cool, could have put my system and yours side to side and
seen the difference the two kernel approaches really makes! (I suspect
there's nothing more than a handful of FPS in it...hardly worth
writing home about.)

What is it that makes Freespace special...is it somehow different from
all the other Hyperion ports in that it runs OK, or was it just the
one that's 'ported' to OS4 first?

But for a couple years in time and a couple of bad decisions we'd all
be using the same system....neither of those things should make us
behave like some of the Anonymous a**eholes (and not so anonymous
ones) seem to want to on forums....actually, it's been happening for
so long I think ANN (and amiga.org to a lesser extent) has become an
accepted battleground, whilst AW.NET and MZ seem to be very civilized.
The ANN situation isn't healthy but I don't see it changing for a
while yet..

It's a little but of fun now there's competition....witnessing Bill
Borsari be entirely confused by the lack of deficons and primitive
dock support on MOS for one (glares at Zapek!) and me having a jibe
about poor 68k emulation speed on OS4 and showing off superior
interface skinning

For both our platforms it's down to developers and attracting
developers...in their hands our future lies. Without native apps, a
lot of people wasted a lot of time and effort.

The real point of the thread is to try and get people focussed on
making these shows bigger and better.

It was great to meet a familiar face such as yours at the show, having
read many of your excellent articles in the past...glad to see you are
stil into the platform.

Avanti!

Steve

When you were talking about 'turnout' being low... 'two new systems, two operating systems' etc..

You need to have something to show other then old apps running on a new system to attract people. Birdieshoot and a few other small games/apps dont cut it. Yea its great we're chuggin along but if you dont make a effort to get some *real* software, there's nothing really to talk about other then vaporware. That probably sounds pessimistic..but thats my view of it. No disrespect to fellow programmers implied or to the MOS cause.

Quote:


AO has been a battleground a few times but its only a select few idiots who troll and post nonsense and bullshi*. I get tired of having to delete posts and discipline people on such crap. Only reason AO sometimes turns to a battleground is because both sides go to the site, which causes problems to the ones who eat/sleep/drink A1/Pegasos.

as near as I can see Amiga org is not a hotbed of fighting. sometimes a few skirmishes break out, but they are quickly stopped by throwing cold water on the growling dogs.

anyway, atm, the biggest "fighting" has to do with the upcoming presidential election in america and most of those threads are in the "coffee house". so, no one has to see thim if they don't want to.

the main instigators are not posting, so the rest of us are able to go about having fun with our hobby.

Quote:well, i was under the impression that some new programs WERE being shown on the peg.
wasn't Jupp's Puzzle program there???
ok, it's not a major application, but, still!



[ Edited by cecilia on 2004/7/29 10:57 ]

not taking away from Jupp as I applaud all programmers who write software for MOS, I am probably talking about real apps like Papyrus etc. Not just utils, they can be games (Tales of Tamar) etc.

You are right...(see my developers, developers, developers missive below) but you are also wrong.

How long did we wait for new hardware and updated Operating System 3 years, 5 years? (Would say 10 of we don't count OS3.5 and 3.9)

It's here, it's real but apparently no-one is interested. Sure there's plenty of forum talk (here too! ) but no--one can be bothered to turnout and support the cause? How will developers get confidence in the platform if they look around a 5 stand show with 50 people there?

People asked (begged, pleaded and threatened) for the hardware and the OS but when push comes to shove they are too lazy to come check it out...bloody apathy! (I've ranted enough on advertising already.)

We had some new (and native) stuff on show:

1. The Peg II (first time at a US show)
2. Papyrus Office
3. FX Paint
4. VHI Studio
5. Demoscene stuff (mostly madwizards)
6. All of Hyperion's games - yes I know, old 'applications' but it's a whole new ball game on new hardware.
7. OS4

Old stuff - every major application from the classic years but running with JIT power at about 60/75% of Native speed i.e. like a 600/750MHz 060!!!! Whether you like any of the old applications or not, this is a new lease on life for IFX, Photogenics, Art Effect, Cinema4D etc.

But for last minute stuff, we were intended to have MOS1.5...this was actually on the exhibition list and never taken off but no-one came up to me and asked if we had it on show This may or may not underline the weakness of relying on the web for advertising?

Regards,

Steve

reall glad you could make it. I wanted to make it to the show myself, but work pickup and I need the money bad. Id really like to see a peg in action.

AO fills the need for a neutral (as much as possible) classic site, and I love it there

I went last year (Saturday day) before I had my Pegasos, and after weighing it out decided not to
go this time.

To summarize my experience from last year, first the good:

+ Met some great people. In fact if Wayne, Targ and a few others I met last year were going,
I probably would have went just to say "hi"

+ Genesi made an excellent showing, they obviously spent considerable time, money, and effort planning
their appearance

+ Saw the Pegasos for the first time, yay!!

...and the bad:

- Met many extremely rude people, and even a few flat-out weirdos (probably close to a 50/50 ratio)

- Couldn't actually test any of the Pegasos on display for more than 5 seconds (which was my entire
reasoning for going), after being booted off twice for whatever reason I finally gave up

- "Flea market" vibe was a little sad to see

- Sacramento is *very* unpleasant in the Summer

Another thing is that some of the exhibitors should really think about how they present themselves
at a public show. Sitting on your a** in sweatpants behind a pile of old dirty junk does not exactly inspire
a "progressive", lively image of the platform...who wants to pay to see that?? Dress up a little, smile,
and don't present your product like it's something you just pulled out of the trash heap. Individual Computers
and Genesi are examples of companies who "did it right".

Same goes for the random assortment of beat A500s scattered about the place. It just makes you
sad, like going to see a car show full of old, wrecked cars.

--

But despite the negatives I still had fun - there just wasn't a whole lot happening this year to
justify the trip for me, since I'm already familiar with the Pegasos, and not much interested in
OS4. (Though in retrospect, it would have been nice to meet a few of the "Morphzoners" who made
it there.)

Now, as far as what "I" would like to see at an amiga show like AmiWest?? Aside from the new machines,
I think there should be a few classic rigs (nice ones, not old garbage) running AGA demos...I'd even
be willing to bring my own equipment for something like that. It's really (in my opinion) one of the few
impressive and creative aspects left of the amigascene. Or maybe just a section with a couple "classic"
amigas, a Pegasos and possibly A1 (are there any A1 demos yet??) all running demos. This could not only
light the nostalgic candle for some, causing more people to open their wallets and support some
of the vendors, but also stoke interest and sales for some of the "modern" equivalents like the A1/Pegasos.

Or maybe not, but it'd still be cool.





[ Edited by -D- on 2004/7/29 16:48 ]

[ Edited by -D- on 2004/7/29 16:49 ]

[ Edited by -D- on 2004/7/29 16:53 ]

D, there was a lot of that this year too. I was the ONLY one that had
a tie on and slacks the forst day. On the second I had a polo shirt
and slacks. It felt good looking nice for the show. I'm sure people
took notice of that.

It's nice to see that MOS and OS4 didn't have any problem coexisting. In the Euskal Party of this year we showed 4 Pegasos with MOS 1.4.2, MOL (with OS9.x and OSX) and an AmigaOne with OS4.

The reaction of most of people who saw these "strange machines" was quite positive, we got quite a lot of ex-amiga users and active amigans to use them. We showed them the two options they had, so they would see that there was an active "amiga" market with various hardware producers.

Even thought there was only an Amiga Intro, we got the organization to show Fluffy Digital SnowFlakes by MadWizards and people was quite impressed.

I hope we make them see that you don't need 3Ghz to have a proper computer. Anyway the price is the biggest problem we have...

350€ or so for a PegG3/600Mhz seems to be a little expensive, and the G4 version at 570€ is too expensive for most of pockets.

You can get a new eMac for 900€ with a 1.25Ghz G4 and all the stuff you need. If you add a Monitor, hard drive, memory, case, etc to your Peggy2 G4 you end up with a slower cpu and a similar price...

I hope Genesi starts to use the new Freescale's G4s soon because it should be a little cheaper. A 1Ghz G3 as basic model would be nice too.

Although you can use MOS very smoothly with 600Mhz, most of people also wants to run MacOS...

Coming back to the Euskal Party mini-report I have to say that I'm quite satisfied with the exposure we gave to the new ppc OSes and motherboards. It's a pity that HAM^Software Failure (the only Amigan who produces intros for the Euskal Party doesn't own a Peggy). He could produce impressive intros for MorphOS. If anyone is switching from Peg1 to Peg2 he could be the perfect person to sell their old Peg1.

@KIERO^MAWI:
We need an ultra-compressed intro like The.Product^farbauch or the latest one shown by rgba (I think it was "Paradise", it uses the same packing algorithms than The.Product). Both are boring, but I'm sure you'll be able to give the Mad Wizards style and make the best 64kb intro for any platform.

@BBRV:
We need a Peg1 for HAM^sfl. He's the only Amigan who presents intros at the euskal and he's the Amiga Scene spirit here. He wants to switch to OpenGL and he already has a peecee so I think that a Peg1 April2 from a user who is upgrading to Peg2 is the only way to keep him inside the Amiga Scene...

The scene intros/demos are a good way to attract amigans

Quote:

Yep, the emac is "terrible" cheap. But it has it's limitations where a Peg hasn't. Think about expandability.
Plus: You are free to use perpherals you want (case, display, hd, etc.) And you can build a PegII based system including CRT for quite the same price, don' t forget that the eMacs have really low specs (except the cpu).

If you take the 570 for the PII + 40 (case w/ psu) + 30 (kbd/Mouse) + 55 (80 G hdd) + 50 (256 DDR) + 35 (ATI 7000/64) + 40 (CDRW) + 100 (CRT) you end up with 920.-

Okay these are mostly the cheapest parts available (not wise to buy the cheapest RAM, etc.). But you'll end up with similar specs like the eMac for close to the same price... prices are roghly based on www.alternate.de.

But agreed: The 7447A is welcomed and price drops are also welcomed of course (the latter just not realistic currently, but the first we will see soon I guess).