Hi All,
This is my 1st post so please answer as much as possible and to the best of your abilities.

Will Original Amiga CD's, 68k Floppies (Workbech 1.3-3.9) work on Morph OS?

I'm seriously considering Morph OS over Amiga OS 4 right now. Can you tell me from your experience's why it would/would not be a better choice?

Thanks for your help.

Ed

Hi Edpon, Morphos has excellent backward compatibility with AmigaOs
, only a few old games and demos won't work (but there is
E-UAE for that), there is no need to install 3.1->3.9 to have
them work but for an handful of third parties libraries.

The floppy controller on Pegasos cant read Amiga floppies. CDs are no problem but hardware banging stuff wont work.

The problem with booting older AmigaOS versions directly is firstly
that MorphOS/Pegasos has no floppy support. Then it's also not
possible because there's no graphics card support at least on floppy
versions of AmigaOS (I don't know about 3.5 or 3.9). This latter
problem also goes for AmigaOS 4.0, of course.

If you make a 3.1 install that works with graphics cards, it should
work. I don't know for earlier or later versions, maybe someone knows
more.

Of course this is not needed to run old AmigaOS apps and system
compliant games on MorphOS, but I guess since you ask about old
versions of AmigaOS, you want it for retro purposes.

" The problem with booting older AmigaOS versions directly is firstly
that MorphOS/Pegasos has no floppy support. Then it's also not
possible because there's no graphics card support at least on floppy
versions of AmigaOS (I don't know about 3.5 or 3.9). This latter
problem also goes for AmigaOS 4.0, of course. "

So does that mean I'd have to get a Catweasel IV, if that'll work even, for the Pegasos II MB? Or is there a way for me to port all my floppies onto a CD that Morph OS can use so I can play Amiga stuff on the Pegasos II? Thanks.

Ed



[ Edited by Edpon on 2006/5/11 12:06 ]

There are some MorphOS Catweasel drivers but there were problems and
it's not really recommended.

I don't know what method would be easiest for you to transfer your old
software. If you have a working Amiga setup you could use a number of
methods like moving it across the network, using a CD burner on the
Amiga, moving it over a null modem (serial), or putting it on a
hard drive on the Amiga and then connect the same hard drive to a
Pegasos (MorphOS supports Amiga filesystems).

If you don't have an Amiga and don't have access to one, it gets a bit
trickier of course as you need some HW that can read Amiga floppies. I
only know of Amigas and the Catweasel system to do this. I can't
remember what the problems with the Catweasel drivers were, of course
here all you need is reading floppies, not writing. Unfortunately, for
"political" reasons it doesn't seem like the Catweasel drivers will
be improved.

First let me welcome you to the site. I was/am a long time Amiga user myself. I took all my old Amiga Disks and made them ADF files. They can be read just fine and even extracted to directories on MorphOS. You can mount them in a simulated floppy as well.

All my original CD games that worked with my video card on the Amiga work in MorphOS. Even a lot of the Hyperion games work just fine. Most any PPC application will work. Games that boot directly will not. They used hardware that isnt on a Pegasos and only in the Amiga. The custom chips are not emulated in it. UAE does work well though and i can run just about any game through that that does not work on MorphOS. I would recomend MorphOS over OS4 any day. The A1 hardware isnt that good and you are lucky if you can even find it for sale.

Hi Edpon

->...Can you tell me from your experience's why it would/would not be a better choice?

My A1-XE/G4 is three years old. AmigaOS4update#4 now. Sorry, there's no Amiga
floppy. Well, you could use a DOS one, if the linux system is installed. I have
installed Jim Battle's --AmigaInABox! It's essentially OS3.1 & ScalosWB.
It works real well in Euae. Installed AmiKit and that's a glorious OS3.9 system.
It's too difficult to use without horsepower of JIT. It's a very nice WinUAE
system for a PC. Euae is not as powerful as WinUAE 1.x

Acill mentions -- 'The A1 hardware isnt that good and you are lucky if you
can even find it for sale'. The hardware issue is destroying any chance of
AmigaOS4 from becoming popular. So, there isn't really any choice right now.
The score: MOS 1 AOS 0


BTW, welcome to the hangout!

[ Edited by Snuffy on 2006/5/11 17:47 ]

mos 1.4.5 it's very similar to the "classic os3.9 + mui registered + various commodity/utility installed", so it's not convenient/unuseful to try to use old wb disks

As today 12/05/06
mos+ambient = Amigaos 3.9 compliant
(apart some rexx isuues, but near to bugfix)
+ some usefull extras

U really need floppy support only if U have an old program on floppy, but if U have an old amiga harddisk or a cd-rom with the useful utilities the floppy support is unuseful



[ Edited by raistlin77it on 2006/5/11 22:41 ]

@Edpon

Dont mistake in thinking UAE will be a solution for you. EUAE used by us mortal ppc-users is nowhere near WinUAE and is rarely of any use. One of the biggest issues is lack of speed.. EUAE doesnt have the JIT unlike WinUAE.

I would recommend you to play your old amigagames or watch your old Amigademos on a PC with WinUAE, and run the systemfriendly stuff on Pegasos/MorphOS.

Hello guys,

@Epdon, an other possibility to read floppies would/could be to borrow an usb floppy reader. The floppies will have to be pc formated and Fat95 shall be installed on your morphos system to read them.

Brumiga

Well, I pretty much agreed with eveything up to this point...

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While this is true, why don't you let us know what the upgrade path is beyond PegII.
Also why don't you tell us when the last release of MOS was and when the next one is due?

What you should point out is that the MOS Devs are sulking and development has effectively stalled.

I raised this in the PegIII thread and everyone here, to a man (or woman!) ignored my post. Must be a touchy subject - but ignoring it won't make it go away....

IMHO of course!

Probably they just ignored you ;)
At least I am doing that now. I mean, bringing up allways that hijacked Gerber site and telling people that there is no development is well.. err... not very helpfull in getting answers.

Oh just for you to update your Bookmarks:

http://www.morphosppc.com/
http://3d.morphos-team.net/
http://powerup.morphos-team.net/

well even that http://www.morphos-team.net/
is more reliable then the gerber site.

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Why? When you buy a pc do you dont think when the next Windows release is due, or whether you should wait eight months to get even more juicier setup?

The Morphos-developement has not stalled. Especially Ambient is getting better and better from day to day.

"Dont mistake in thinking UAE will be a solution for you. EUAE used by us mortal ppc-users is nowhere near WinUAE and is rarely of any use. One of the biggest issues is lack of speed.. EUAE doesnt have the JIT unlike WinUAE."

I'm not really looking for emulation of an Amiga, unless it's invisible program that simply runs in the background and let's me do what I need for the program I'm using. I do understand the hardware limitations, because maybe certain programs require the Paula or Denise, etc. What I don't get, is what etensions does Morph OS use for the Amiga programs? I think the Amiga programs are .ilh or .ila, something like that; does the Morph OS use those as well? There used to be a website or still a website, called Arcade Archieve, that had DVDs loaded with almost every know Amiga software. They had the extensions I mentioned, but I couldn't get any of those to my Amiga, at least not easily. I think I was supposed to use Amiga Forever or another emulator, but I still couldn't get it to work. The point is, I was hoping that Pegasos II or III with Morph OS would easily allow me to play any Amiga software from 1.3 - 3.9.

Ed

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Systemfriendly stuff will run. Yes, even some of the ancient crap from 1.3

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We don't need much beyond the PegasosII, since it's a piece of hardware you can actually buy today at a human price, if you want to. Time will tell for the future, but ATM things are just fine on the HW side.
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The last FULL release for PEGASOS, 1.4.5, was one year ago. The last FULL release for Amiga Classics is just a couple of months old, though.
The next release will come in, ehm, "just two more weeks": http://www.morphos-team.net
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Oh! I knew I shouldn't have downloaded the SDK update two days ago... I see dead people, I tell ya! :P http://www.pegasos.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1031
Meanwhile, the latest MUI4 for MorphOS got released at the end of April. Poseidon3 was updated in 2006. Ambient gets updated daily (the horror!).
BTW, after that site said that "Any new version of MorphOS for the Pegasos won't happen before the above counters reach zero", we enjoyed 1.4.4 and 1.4.5 releases, and the 3D update, a couple of SDK updates and more (including the free release for classic machines - not related to the Pegasos).
So what?
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It just shows that people here knows how to behave. But if you start annoying in every other thread, then someone will eventually answer to all your "assertions".
But ignoring you is just fine, since those URLs and those facts have been shown you dozens of times already somewhere else, and I guess you'll happily ignore them also this time and will come back with the same questions within a too short time.

Kind regards,
Andrea

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LOL

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Well maybe I think the MOS users are complacent about the situation and are happy to be stuck in a time warp.
The OS4 hardware situation is also dire but at least there are 5 threads a week on AW.Net shouting at Hyperion, Amiga Inc (Not that a rigor mortis corpse can hear) and even Adam ACK and Troika.

Anyway....blah blah! My point was just that there are problems with all the Amiga platforms - it's silly to point out problems one 1 and forget problems on the other when talking to new users.

@Colin_Camper

/me scratches head why AmigaOne was brought to the thread in the first place

@guruman

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Fine it is too. But the main reason a lot more people didn't buy it (me included) was the MOS situation.

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Are you saying it is business as usual with MOS development. If so, you have a hell of a PR problem because my perception was that MOS was only seeing development 'round the edges'. Obviously if this is the case - this is good news and you need to tell people outside the confines of Morphzone.net and .de.
I had the impression that the MOS community was full of dedicated developers decrying the fact that 1.5 was never going to be released and slowly losing interest.

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I don't understand this. You are saying that I am completely wrong about the MOS devs - I would have thought the right way to behave would be to 'put me right' - not ignore me!
If you are right about active development of the MOS kernel and OS you really need to start shouting this from the rooftops.

Colin_Camper:
Hope you noticed the smiley ;)
I can`t speak for every MOS User out there, but I can assure, that I am not that satisfied with the current MOS release Situtation. That said, it has nothing to do with halted development or this bogus gerber site.
In Fact, development for MOS is far away from beeing halted, things just seems to envolve in different speed thus resulting in releasing several things outside from a complete new release, be it just an additional bug fix release like a 1.4.6 or a major update to 1.5
And that is the only thing I dislike, it is a bit like it was in the old Amiga Days where you have to download bits here and there to keep your System up to date.
But thats it, assuming that development has halted just because one developer decided to create a well err "hatesite" is just ridicoulus.

Guruman has pretty much summed it up, so I won`t need to list this again.

And I guess we all are aware that not everything is fine these days in Amigaland, in fact this is pretty much the same as it was the last years.

However there is a difference between the MOS and the OS 4.0 Situation, which obviously leads to much more bitchin on the later one.
If one decide to give MOS a Chance, she/he can do this immediatelly, be it on an Amiga on Steroids with PPC Card, just download the Powerup Release, be it with a used Peg 1, which is arround 100-150 Eur nowadays thus cheap enough for a tryout, or one can buy a brand new Pegasos right away.

If one want to try OS 4.0, the only way is to buy used, overpriced and err... well, less reliable Hardware, which is in Fact very hard to get.
There is no Public release of OS 4.0 for the classics, there is no new Hardware, there are no new runs of the Aone. And no, announced hardware doesn`t count, because thats just it, it is announced. Not very helpfull if one is in need for something new. Was pretty much the case when I bought my Peg, the PPC on my Card died and I was in need of a replacment. Back that Time the Aones where just sold as expensive Linux Boxen with no OS 4.0 up to well 2 Years?

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Yawn, this one is getting rather tiresome by now, first of all Zapek is not a MorphOS developer, he actually quit being one some time before making that page, secondly last I checked one person should never be addressed in plural, even if that person has certain medical conditions that will make you predisposed in doing so.

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Well, you see, the big problem with that is that there's alot of people who have a vested interest in disinforming you, this seems particularly prevalent on sites like aw.net (this is not a jibe towards aw.net, but rather towards a sub-section of its users), and as long as you don't make a personal effort in verifying everything you hear from 3rd parties there's little that can be done.


- CISC

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Yup, your completely wrong. Its under active development. The gerber site is just a site he puts up to spite the rest of the dev team. We have got plently of updates since then. PR problem? Maybe, but the fact that is A1 and OS4 users seem to be in a world they dont want to get out of.

Oh and I have as well as other "shout from roof tops" about MOS not being dead and all it got me was flames on AW.net since they dont want to hear it.








[ Edited by Acill on 2006/5/12 9:42 ]

Edpon: I have never heard of .ila or .ilh files. It seems to me that
you're mostly interested in running old games. These will (for the
most part) not run on MorphOS or AmigaOS4 directly. While you can no
doubt run them through UAE or E-UAE, as someone already commented,
these programs are more actively developed for PC so you'd be better
off using that.

Of course as a Peg and MOS user I'd like more users, but they should
preferrably be happy users. The truth is that MorphOS is
future-oriented, not retro-oriented. So it's not really the right
thing if your main interest is to run old games.

Acill, please, do us all a favour and cut down on the derogatory hw talk .. no matter how fitting you think it may be it'll serve no other purpose than derailing this thread completely since this topic is pretty much proven to be impossible to discuss in a factual, rational and friendly way...


- CISC