Andreas_Wolf,
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I'm satisfied with the current state of things.
The last thing I need is another X86 option.

@Jim

MorphOS will still be there for those who wants Amiga compatability. But the PPC market is almost dead, and it will be surely dead within a couple of years. So MorphOS 3.x would then be like the classic Amiga: it will still be there as long as the hardware works.

But I also think a lot of NG users have a different view of what they want to do with their Amigas. Classic owners wants to play with "the real thing" and use WB 3.1 software. A lot of NG users however wants a modern Amiga-like OS that can compete with other modern OS:es. In the mid 90's PPC seemed to be the future. Sadly, it wasn't. So I think (I also speak from a personal view) plenty enough NG users are prepared to ditch Amiga compatability and let MorphOS (or AOS4 and AROS for that matter) stand on it's own legs. And that would enable the next OS to have all those things we can't have because of compatability with classic Amiga. Like SMP and multicores. And more importantly: new, cheap hardware!

I simply want to be able to live without Windows, MacOS and Linux also in the future. I want an Amiga like system. And it's because it's a much much better user experience!

I hereby pledge to buy the next MorphOS system without Amiga compatability. Provided that it's not based on dead end hardware or cost 500$.

Yasu,
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There never will be cheap new hardware for MorphOS or any other Amiganoid OS on x86. 99% of the available hardware is not available anymore within 6 month.

AROS is doing that for years without any progress. The MorphOS Team for sure will not do the same mistake.

We already proved that taking second hand Apple hardware works very well, so if MorphOS would go x86, then in my opinion Apple devices are first choice, because they are available in numbers and easy to obtain.

Geit

[ Edited by geit 22.07.2013 - 00:25 ]

@Geit

Ugh! More Apple hardware.
I can see the logic in using a standardized platform.
But Apple's peculiar design elements get on my nerves.

It doesn't have to be Apple, as long as there is some standard that easily available. I don't really care who puts the machine together in the end as long as the components are good enough. And I don't care if the hardware is 6 months old. I just don't want to have to satisfy forever with HW that's just getting older and older.

geit,
You may also consider Lenovo. There are really many ppl who massively dislike Apple. And Lenovo has a good reputation and support and their business laptops are not that kink of products that get replaced every 2nd week.

But the main thing is doing the switch next. It's time to enter the next level. Will be a huge effort, but will be cool.

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I completely agree. This would be a reasonable and realistic approach! I really think the MorphOS Team should go for this!

And BTW:
http://www.apple.com/mac-pro/



I know that some people might disagree on this, but IMHO this new piece of HW represents *everything* I currently want and need when it comes to desktop hardware! Everything! It's the state of the art, both in design, features, and in performance! MorphOS "NG" on this? Yes!

Yes I realize that this probably won't be the first x86 mac to be supported, but who knows, maybe someday...?

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Yeah thanks but no. My 5-6 years old desktop workstation from Dell was replaced with expensive Lenovo laptop and it KILLED efficiency at work. I even asked not get one one weeks before the exchange but was told everyone needs to have the same hardware. One of the worst decisions in our IT-department ever. I will never get Lenovo that's for sure.

There's a book called Accidental Empires with a passage about an early (& failed) OS for the original IBM pc - p/dos. The 'p' was for pseudo. Programs for it were intended to be some kind of byte code for a non-existent cpu. Had the concept succeeded the underlying hardware would have been irrelevant. My point being, getting away from hardware dependance could be good for MorphOS.

@ausPPC

You mean like AROS? I think that would be a nice approach too. AFAIK, MOS uses HIDD's too right? Wouldn't it make sense to open source that part, and not just be ported to ARM and x86, but also potentially get more drivers through others? Or have I misunderstood everything again? :)

> Programs for it were intended to be some kind of byte code for a non-existent cpu. [...]
> My point being, getting away from hardware dependance could be good for MorphOS.

I think a bytecode approach would contradict the efficiency that MorphOS is currently known for. Thus, I'd be against it.

> You mean like AROS?

AROS doesn't use bytecode approach.

> AFAIK, MOS uses HIDD's too right? Wouldn't it make sense to open source that part, and not
> just be ported to ARM and x86, but also potentially get more drivers through others? Or have
> I misunderstood everything again? :)

Open sourcing anything shouldn't be required to write drivers. A good programming interface description should do.

The new Mac pro is completely ugly!!!!!!. Why anyone in his sane mind would buy one for professional work?. It lacks the expansion capabilities of the previous models, and in a professional environment, like video editing, you need cards, hdds etc... and you can't put it on that "thing". I like more the walker case that that.

Ahem...

No new licence numbers? Anyone?

@koszer

Where do I find those?

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here.

_ThEcRoW,
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Back on topic please, and if you want to see just how wrong you are, take a look at the off topic thread I posted about this.

@koszer

Oh, I must be stupid not to have thought of that!

My G5 is 1938

> if MorphOS would go x86, then in my opinion Apple devices are first choice

"Citation of the month:
"[...] if MorphOS would go x86, then only on Apple devices [...]." Geit on MorphZone."
http://www.meta-morphos.org/WArMUp/WArMUp-July2013.pdf

;-)

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I refrased that afterwards for clearification.

Geit

I will modify your citation then

While it actually is a reasonable strategy to support Apple PPC devices currently, it would not be our preferred strategy to support Apple devices only if MorphOS ever goes X86 - just to put things straight.

> it would not be our preferred strategy to support Apple devices only
> if MorphOS ever goes X86

Thanks for clarification of official MorphOS Team stance.

I agree. Great to know!

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How about the date? I guess it will be something like 09.07.2013?