Hmm, I start to feel, like I gonna write an english tutorial... Atleast for a simple tool like a MUI calculator... But well, I'd write it only for PowerD. Basics of MUI would be nearly the same as with C, but I haven't C compiler correctly installed (I don't know what for ) so just let me known, if You would like me to do so, and we can start to 'develop' such a tutorial.

Bye, MarK.

MarK: what is the url for your tutorial? I speak Czech and can somewhat read it..but if I cannot my dad can translate.

Ok, I have written in Czech language 5 (bad) tutorials for PowerD, 1,2,3,4,5. Hope, it can help, but it's all only about basics of programming in PowerD, nothing like MUI yet...

Bye, MarK.

OH! Ok, I thought you meant you wrote a tutorial for MUI.. lol..

I will, it's the most important thing in MorphOS

If you write it I will volunteer to translate to english if needed? (looks like you're doing a good job and dont need the help)

Do you know MUI reeeaaaaal good? If so, can I paypal you some $ to get started on a beginners tutorial for MUI ? (yes, I'm not joking)

C and C++ are hard to learn. For beginners (or ex-basic programmers) there is shock "why there is no command for this and that!?".

For many people pointers and memory management seem to be horror, and C++ hermetization, inheritance seems to be useless.

I wouldn't recommend learning it unless you're serious about programming. You can write "hello world" fairly quickly, but before you write your first big, stable program it may take a year or two.
Because you need not only learn language, but learn programming techniques, algorithms and systems API (at least amigaos api is pretty easy :)

I wrote an "Intro to ARexx" over on the MDC, I',m sure I could expand on it if we want to cover ARexx here.

ARexx is very powerful, and when using Alfie's RxMUI libraries it can be used to bridge some of the gaps between "structured" and "object" programming. Besides, ARexx is great for "quick results" to those wishing to learn.

/* Hello.rexx */
say "Yo! ARexx is saying Hello World!"

No need to translate, I'll write it in english, but just tell me, what would You like. Is the calculator good choice? And deep cooperation would be required to write really good tutorial. Are You a volunteer to help me to find things to explain?

And for sure, forget about any money, I'm not in situation, where I could promise anything, I'll do my best, but can't promise anything exact.

Bye, MarK.

porneL: I'm asking for some REAL documentation/tutorial on integration w/ MUI, not help with learning C or C++.

MarK:
A MUI tutorial..lets see... I'm sure we'll get alot of replies.. as for helping I know nothing of MUI..
Your calculator example would be good..something that shows buttons, pull down menu's, popping up requesters etc. This can turn into quite a task for writing a tutorial which is why I offered to pay something. Maybe a few others here can ask what they would like to see in a MUI tutorial.

Btw since you were talking that Calculator example...

Calculator.png

Took about 5 mins to write a GUI for this (I know I'm slow but I had to write some comments there)

You can check source code here. I'm not good at explaining things and making it usable would need too much work... (this just creates a GUI, buttons aint working).

Hi,

About the MUI tutorial, it should explain a bit the history/thoughts
about it. So that people get an idea what MUI is about. And then by
some simple examples how you get something done. And then to the next
level. Remember, a poorly written tutorial can even make "turning on
the tv" look difficult.

Coder

itix: where is the code available for download at?

Thanks Itix!!!

I think we should support both PowerD, C and Arexx with easy to use demos etc, then people get the choice of an easy-to-use Basic-like language, and C for those that want to get into it. I prefer PowerD to Python, as it can produce compiled programs.
Basic languages IMO are good for beginners, because of the nice syntax- C etc are just plain cryptic- even with syntax highlighting, they are hard to read and debug! And as others have pointed out, there is so many easy to use commands to use with no extra work required- they make the learning curve so much easier for beginners- IMO many potential programmers could give up, if they start with C!
If people want the flexibility/portability of C, they can always learn it later, it's not hard after something like PowerD!
I'm against using Java for beginners, it has so much more complicated concepts to learn for beginners- ie: you need to understand Classes just to do a `Hello World' app!
We have to consider that the Amiga always had a strong hobbiest programmer community, and that not everyone wants to learn high-end stuff- maybe just enough to do a small custom program or some Arexx control programs. We can always teach OO concepts later on with C++ and Java. And we could also use some C++ functions to make things easier for beginners; like the string functions and //'s for comments.

Hello Ants!

I also feel that Hollywood should be covered, the developer has put a lot of effort into the system, and even made a MorphOS port. That is assuming there are folks around willing to share their knowledge on that subject as well.

If everyone is in agreement, I can assign someone as a "tutorial admin," and can create a place to put those online. Whatever everyone wants to do.

Hi Tcheko

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Right.

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The archive of the newsgroup comp.sys.amiga.programmer on Google is a true source of information ! There are many examples on Internet too ...

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Not too many articles ? It could be better but I think all the articles cover a large knowledge about AmigaOS programming.

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- How to setup devenv
Quite easy with the MOS SDK from MDC
- How to compile (build makefile)
StAn wrote an article on this subject : http://www.guru-meditation.net/main.php3?root=412
- MUI (Zune)
I am preparing several examples with a increasing difficulty.
- Networking (Mos 1.5)
Yep, hard to have clear explanations :(
- File I/O
Do you really need advices about that ? Just ask on forums or dev mailing-list :) And use dos.library !
- Datatypes
I wrote 4 articles on that about pictures : http://www.guru-meditation.net/main.php3?root=155
- Graphics
Five articles from StAn at : http://www.guru-meditation.net/main.php3?root=183
- Handlers
??
- Creating Devices
I don't know about that
- Creating Libraries
Just have a look at Clib on Aminet (works with all compilers) and skeleton in the examples of the MOS SDK (in the documentation directory)

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I know. Please give more information about your problems ... why not through the forum of guru-meditation.net ?

Hi itix!

Nice and fast work with that simple calculator, but I see, You don't use macros too much, this example can be written simplier (shorter=faster) using SimpleButton() macro I'll write the same example in PowerD and everyone can compare
But tonight, now I'm at work

Bye, MarK.

ants: It's not that much a question of choice of the right language. Everyone prefers a different one. I for example go the C++ route.
Thing is, for (not too uncommon) languages there are lots of good books available (For pure C++ I liked the books of John Hubbard or Ulrich Breymann). It's easy to obtain information. The lack is only the mos/aos specific functions. A tutorial which systematically covers the most important os-functions would be great.
My POV.

And something other on my private wishlist: Would be great if the MOS sdk will be fixed to have a working g++ version...

Addendum:
Thanks for the calculator example. That one seems to be a good start. Now we only need someone who is writing what is going on.
Starts with the includes (what is in which include file) goes on to the defines and so on...
Someone haveing a spare evening to do so?

Anyway, thanks for that example.

am I the only one that cannot see source code to the calculator?

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That would be grrreat idea, if demos were doing the same things. Like calculator example in C, D, Arexx... You could compare the code and choose best one for you. If you know other language the switch between would be easier, etc.

TheMagicM: Just click the 'here' word, it's the link to the ftp :)))

porneL: Great idea! But I there are far more languages... Anyone who knows Pascal, and others?