Machine won't boot anymore after installing MOS3.3
  • Order of the Butterfly
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    I was following this guide (from www.meta-morphos.org):

    "How to update MorphOS without burning the ISO image

    - copy ISO to work: partition
    - mount kernel partition
    - mount the ISO, rename the old boot.img and copy the new boot.img to the kernel partition
    - reboot
    - check that the splash screen shows the new version
    - mount the ISO again and run the installer"

    After the "reboot" part, I now just get a smiling Macintosh alternating with a question mark. The system won't boot anymore at all.

    It seems like either (a) those instructions are wrong and need fixing, or (b) there is some catastrophic bug in MOS3.3. Either way I now have a bricked system, MOS userbase has just shrunk...

    [ Edited by Minuous 21.09.2013 - 12:23 ]
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    Try holding down the Option key at Boot Time. Maybe your Mac can not find a boot partition. If you hold the Option Key when turning on your Mac you will see partitions the Mac sees as bootable. You should see the MOS Boot partition. Select that and it should boot.

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    Quote:

    Minuous wrote:

    - mount the ISO, rename the old boot.img and copy the new boot.img to the kernel partition

    After the "reboot" part, I now just get a smiling Macintosh alternating with a question mark. The system won't boot anymore at all.



    Are you sure you just copied boot.img and nothing else?

    I could imagine this happening if you also copied bootinfo.txt for example. If you did, you should boot MorphOS installation CD and apply "HFSSetMacBoot Boot:bootinfo.txt" from shell. You need to do that every time if bootinfo.txt is modified.

    And did you copy correct version of boot.img from the CD?
    MorphOSBoot:boot.img if you have Pegasos 2
    MorphOSBoot:bootefika.img if you have Efika
    MorphOSBoot:bootpeg1.img if you have Pegasos 1
    MorphOSBoot:mac_ppc32/boot.img if you have G4 Mac
    MorphOSBoot:mac_ppc64/boot.img if you have G5 Mac I think

    For those parts that unofficial instruction should be updated. And add warning about copying other files. In any case this isn't official way to do the installation.

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    It seems like either (a) those instructions are wrong and need fixing, or (b) there is some catastrophic bug in MOS3.3. Either way I now have a bricked system, MOS userbase has just shrunk...


    You don't have working CD drive so that you could burn the CD on other computer (or if you have older MorphOS CD already available) and boot from it to be able fix the issue? If you don't have, then you could try to boot from some other device, for example from USB or ISO on HD, there are some kind of instructions for that around. But in any case, you should try to boot MorphOS somehow to fix it...

    [ Edited by jPV 21.09.2013 - 09:19 ]
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    Quote:

    Minuous wrote:
    I was following this guide (from www.meta-morphos.org):

    "How to update MorphOS without burning the ISO image

    t seems like either (a) those instructions are wrong and need fixing, or (b) there is some catastrophic bug in MOS3.3. Either way I now have a bricked system, MOS userbase has just shrunk...


    Well... that's what you get for following dubious unofficial guides. Just burn the ISO on a CD, hold the Alt key to get the OF Boot menu and boot from CD. Chose 'Update' and it'll fix your system.
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    Either way I now have a bricked system, MOS userbase has just shrunk...


    And the price of blank cd is what, 20 cents?
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    >Try holding down the Option key at Boot Time.

    It's a Dell keyboard, there is no Option key.

    >And did you copy correct version of boot.img from the CD?

    Perhaps not, I just copied boot.img as per the instructions. Since there are different archives for each platform, I'm not sure why they have included all the different boot images in each package, it seems like it just leads to opportunities for bricked systems...

    >dubious unofficial guides.

    Is there is an official one somewhere?

    >And the price of blank cd is what, 20 cents?

    Generally you have to buy 50 at a time, which is a lot more than 20 cents...Isn't there a way to boot the machine directly from the USB stick?

    [ Edited by Minuous 22.09.2013 - 11:20 ]
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    Quote:

    Minuous wrote:
    >Try holding down the Option key at Boot Time.

    It's a Dell keyboard, there is no Option key.


    The Alt key on non-Apple keyoards

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    I'm not sure why they have included all the different boot images in each package, it seems like it just leads to opportunities for bricked systems...


    The installer knows which boot.img is the correct one. Manually copying files is unsurprisingly not a supported approach.

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    >dubious unofficial guides.

    Is there is an official one somewhere?


    1) Download ISO image.
    2) Burn CD
    3) Boot CD
    4) Run installer and select 'update'.

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    Isn't there a way to boot the machine directly from the USB stick?


    Some machines may not support usb booting, but one of the approaches in this thread should work.

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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    OK, thanks for the help. I accessed the Early Startup Control screen (Alt key), however it still couldn't boot from the hard disk. Luckily I managed to locate a MOS 3.1 CD and used that to boot the system, whereby I was able to replace the boot.img with the 3.3 MiniMac 32-bit version. However apart from the boot.img it's still a MOS 3.1 system at the moment.

    I've mounted the MOS 3.3 ISO but can't see how to run the installer. The Installer tool itself is on the ISO but there is no suitable script for it. There's also no startup-sequence on it oddly. Do I have to drag across all directories by hand? Or is there other steps required for manual installation?

    [ Edited by Minuous 22.09.2013 - 12:56 ]
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    Oops, double post...

    [ Edited by Minuous 22.09.2013 - 12:55 ]
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    've mounted the MOS 3.3 ISO but can't see how to run the installer. The Installer tool itself is on the ISO but there is no suitable script for it. There's also no startup-sequence on it oddly. Do I have to drag across all directories by hand? Or is there other steps required for manual installation?



    Do yourself a favor and beg/borrow/steal a blank CDR. I can't imgin you don't know a single person with a spare, or cn't get them in quantities of less than 50x. You were just saying you were going to quit due to problems trying to manually update, but still want to try manually updating? Do it right so there are no questions IMO.
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    I have heard of other people being able to update via non-CD methods so I know it's possible.
    If we can find the correct solution then I can document this on my site, and the information thus available will assist not only myself with MOS 3.3, but also the rest of the community for all future updates.

    [ Edited by Minuous 22.09.2013 - 16:27 ]
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    Quote:

    Minuous wrote:

    I've mounted the MOS 3.3 ISO but can't see how to run the installer. The Installer tool itself is on the ISO but there is no suitable script for it. There's also no startup-sequence on it oddly. Do I have to drag across all directories by hand? Or is there other steps required for manual installation?


    You need to run MorphOSBoot:Tools/IWizard

    And notice that you need to properly mount the ISO image, for example by rightmousebutton context menu over that file and select "Mount...". If you just browse into archive by doubleclicking it, that doesn't work.
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    For next version, a simple "update button" would be nice. Burning a CD just for update is bored.
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    Well there are reasons for that as said. I don't see it as that big problem to write CD-RW twice a year. When you boot from CD you can also see that it will work correctly on your system before doing the actual update, who knows if there would be some new bug for some platform.
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    The MorphOS Install CDROM is not only an installation media.

    It is also a simple way of recovering data and repairing an installation. Thats why - especially for none power users - burning a CD is the way to go.

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    Quote:

    geit wrote:

    The MorphOS Install CDROM is not only an installation media.

    It is also a simple way of recovering data and repairing an installation. Thats why - especially for none power users - burning a CD is the way to go.

    Geit


    I fully agree. I burned and booted fro a CD and the update went fast and flawlessly. I bought a half spindle of blank CD-R disk a few years ago for like $5 on clearance. I cant understand why everyone is looking for ways other than this way to update? How much is your time worth? Just burn a $1 CD and be done with it.
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    Quote:

    Minuous wrote:
    I have heard of other people being able to update via non-CD methods so I know it's possible.
    If we can find the correct solution then I can document this on my site, and the information thus available will assist not only myself with MOS 3.3, but also the rest of the community for all future updates.



    I upgraded by mounting the iso and copying mac_ppc32/boot.img to boot: then rebooting, mounted the iso again and then running Tools/IWizard.

    I've been told that this is not advised as it is untested, so you really should install from USB or CD to make sure your installation doesn't break.
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    > there are different archives for each platform

    No, there are not. It's one image file for the Efika 5200B and one for all other supported systems.

    > I'm not sure why they have included all the different boot images in each package

    The one package for all systems (except Efika 5200B) has all the different boot images for obvious reasons.

    > it seems like it just leads to opportunities for bricked systems...

    Even if you copy the wrong boot image due to not following the official way of upgrading, the system is far from bricked.
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    > There's also no startup-sequence on it oddly.

    There is. The actual system files are in MorphOS:System/*.

    * actually it's MorphOSBoot:MorphOS/

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 22.09.2013 - 21:59 ]
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > There's also no startup-sequence on it oddly.

    There is. The actual system files are in MorphOS:System/.


    Actually in MorphOSBoot:MorphOS/ (Or SYS:MorphOS/).

    But what actually starts the installation script when booted from the installation media is Bienvenue which is launched from WBStartup drawer. And with it you can launch IWizard.
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    >> The actual system files are in MorphOS:System/.

    > Actually in MorphOSBoot:MorphOS/ (Or SYS:MorphOS/).

    Yes, you're correct of course, thanks. Severe case of having drunk way too much last night I guess ;-)
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    >You need to run MorphOSBoot:Tools/IWizard

    Thanks, it has now upgraded successfully. I have added a section to my guide at http://amigan.1emu.net/releases/ami-code.txt explaining all the steps involved. I will also write to the webmaster at meta-morphos telling him his guide is broken.
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