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    cyfm
    Posts: 537 from 2003/4/11
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    Jim wrote:

    "it's unlikely you will ever see support for that in MorphOS" ouch! hopefully you mean defeat of DRM, because being able to read UDF format doesn't necessarily imply that


    Well, obviously we don't need to move to Antigua to implement the open UDF 2.5/2.6 standard as a filesystem, so I was refering to the encryption of protected Blu-ray discs (since you were refering to ripping data which somehow implied breaking encryption to me) .
    An UDF filesystem - while it definitely would be nice2have - is not high on our priority list, though. At least noone is really working on it right now.
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    xyphoid
    Posts: 870 from 2008/7/11
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    rather the bug fixed for blanks insertion in usb drives, which freezes the system, then we look towards blurays. One doesn't have anything to do with the other, but just saying..
  • »27.11.10 - 22:09
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    Posts: 4977 from 2009/1/28
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    pega-1 wrote:
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    Jim wrote:

    "it's unlikely you will ever see support for that in MorphOS" ouch! hopefully you mean defeat of DRM, because being able to read UDF format doesn't necessarily imply that


    Well, obviously we don't need to move to Antigua to implement the open UDF 2.5/2.6 standard as a filesystem, so I was refering to the encryption of protected Blu-ray discs (since you were refering to ripping data which somehow implied breaking encryption to me) .
    An UDF filesystem - while it definitely would be nice2have - is not high on our priority list, though. At least noone is really working on it right now.



    I used to rip DVDs that I owned to reduce their size for play back on hand held devices.
    But since the pasage of the Digital Millenium Copyright Act this practice is no longer technically legal.
    I've never copied anything I didn't pay for.
    I noticed in an earlier post someone mentioned playing back the movie "Machete".
    That film hasn't been released to DVD/Bluray yet.
    So we don't need UDF support to obtain and view improperly obtained content under MorphOS..
    Legally viewing rented or purchased blurays on a MorphOS system would require UDF support though.
    Hopefully one day we'll get it.
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  • »28.11.10 - 01:23
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12010 from 2003/5/22
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    > standard 1080p/H264 is definitely not doable at proper speed
    > on a 1.5GHz G4, anyway, and 1.8GHz wouldn't be either.

    1080p/H264 on 1.33 GHz G4:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHhWsrWz2Ns

    720p/H264 on 1.0 GHz dual-G4:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa-yAafzRAc

    How's that even possible? I read that this mysterious CorePlayer doesn't even use the GPU but only CPU + AltiVec:

    http://www.cubeowner.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=14431#entry100336
    http://www.cubeowner.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=14236#entry98753
    http://www.cubeowner.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=14219&st=15#entry98630
    http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=6215534
    http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=6156722
  • »26.07.11 - 18:53
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    Fab
    Posts: 1331 from 2003/6/16
    I don't know how they do it, but it's impressive. No wonder why it's commercial. :)
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    minator
    Posts: 365 from 2003/3/28
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    > standard 1080p/H264 is definitely not doable at proper speed
    > on a 1.5GHz G4, anyway, and 1.8GHz wouldn't be either.

    1080p/H264 on 1.33 GHz G4:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHhWsrWz2Ns


    That's very impressive for a G4!

    The bit rate is nowhere near BluRay of course but it's still impressive.
  • »26.07.11 - 23:05
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    Posts: 599 from 2004/11/27
    Hi, I would like to use an internal BlueRay burner with the Pegasos2 but they are SATA only, seems no IDE anymore. Did anyone try such already? Any idea what would be the best way, buy a compatible SATA PCI Card which works with MorphOS? Or any other idea/solution?
    Thanks
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    Simon
    Posts: 809 from 2008/7/6
    From: Antwerp, Belgium
    You can't use bluraydiscs if I understand it well. But I do wonder: does it read DVD and CD's under MorphOS a bluray drive ?

    You can buy an USB Bluray drive ? Or maybe an IDE to SATA convertor ... and indeed SATA pcicard would be the best solution but I don't know how compatible this all will be.
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    ausPPC
    Posts: 543 from 2007/8/6
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    I think I recall seeing an IDE bluray drive...

    ebay There were also standard 5.25" drives... Ah, here we go - ebay
    PPC assembly ain't so bad... ;)
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12010 from 2003/5/22
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    > internal BlueRay burner [...] are SATA only, seems no IDE anymore.

    There's still at least one PATA model available in Germany:

    http://www.heise.de/preisvergleich/eu/408912
  • »28.07.11 - 11:07
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    bash64
    Posts: 934 from 2010/10/28
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    buy an ide->sata converter
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  • »28.07.11 - 11:29
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  • MorphOS Developer
    jacadcaps
    Posts: 2943 from 2003/3/5
    From: Canada
    You still won't be able to read BD data discs under MorphOS - there's no filesystem for these.
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    stephen_robinson
    Posts: 746 from 2007/4/22
    Yet?
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    jacadcaps
    Posts: 2943 from 2003/3/5
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    Not on our TODO as far as I know. Bounty anyone? :)
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    rms
    Posts: 599 from 2004/11/27
    @ jacadcaps

    Yea, right, didn't think about the fs, no fs for MorphOS to read BD :-(
  • »29.07.11 - 03:44
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    Samurai_Crow
    Posts: 149 from 2009/12/10
    From: Minnesota, USA
    Not only is there no filesystem for Blue-Ray disks, the video disks themselves require Java to run the menus. :-x
  • »30.07.11 - 18:16
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    Posts: 4977 from 2009/1/28
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    Since my Sony Blue-Ray player only set me back $75, I don't see the need to invest even more money just to run these disks under MortphOS.
    Besides, I use the BlueRay player mainly to stream online video content.
    Anyone know how to get YouTube to display in fullscreen on a BlueRay player?
    "Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
  • »30.07.11 - 18:58
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    xyphoid
    Posts: 870 from 2008/7/11
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    I've got an LG I use the info/display button to show video in full screen, or as full as it gets. It sdhould generally look like a screen icon
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12010 from 2003/5/22
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    Addendum:

    > I read that this mysterious CorePlayer doesn't even use the GPU but only CPU + AltiVec

    There're also different opinions:

    "CorePlayer -- The only one really optimized for AltiVec, and seems to use the graphics card too (changing my card gave me +100% more speed)."
    http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=13190378
  • »10.09.11 - 09:56
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  • Order of the Butterfly
    Order of the Butterfly
    Posts: 278 from 2003/3/4
    What would be very beneficial for morphOS would be to have a proper support for video decode acceleration.
    I have a old PC here doing 1080P using less then 3% of the CPU, the NVidia card does all the work.
    I am curious to know if we have such a possible future option with ATI cards.
  • »10.09.11 - 19:19
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  • Just looking around
    Posts: 11 from 2008/9/24
    Oepabakkes,
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    You can't use bluraydiscs if I understand it well. But I do wonder: does it read DVD and CD's under MorphOS a bluray drive ?

    You can buy an USB Bluray drive ?


    I'm wondering about the exact same thing. I'm considering picking up a Samsung ODD external USB blu ray player, and want to use it on my mac, pc and as CD/DVD drive on the efika.

    Can a USB Blu Ray player work as a CD/DVD drive with MorphOS?
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    NewSense
    Posts: 1456 from 2012/11/10
    From: Manchester, UK/GB
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    jacadcaps wrote on 28.07.2011 :-o: You still won't be able to read BD data discs under MorphOS - there's no filesystem for these ... Not on our TODO as far as I know. Bounty anyone? :).
    Just wondered if this topic (UDF) had become more important more recently to the Dev. Team? :-?

    I'd be happy to put some money into a "Bounty" for other users also to contribute to gain this advantage for MorphOS to realise UDF support. If we could at least get that support and be able to read and write that UDF standard it would be a major hurdle overcome. It would even be nice to have Dual-Layer support for DVD+R-DL media, which would also allow us to utilise those discs. 8-D

    If I'm not mistaken ... even Mac Tiger (10.4.11) could read UDF DVD discs and that's not been supported for such a looong time already!!! :-o
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    polluks
    Posts: 775 from 2007/10/23
    From: Gelsenkirchen,...
    Indeed, libudfread is not rocket science.
    However Wikipedia says:
    "For example, a UDF 2.01 volume that does not use Stream Files (introduced in UDF 2.00) but uses VAT (UDF 1.50) created by a UDF 2.60-capable implementation may have the revision declared as 0x0201, the minimum read revision set to 0x0150, the minimum write to 0x0150, and the maximum write to 0x0260."
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  • »09.11.23 - 07:43
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  • MorphOS Developer
    jacadcaps
    Posts: 2943 from 2003/3/5
    From: Canada
    UDF is even less relevant now than it was then.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    NewSense
    Posts: 1456 from 2012/11/10
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    @ jacadcaps . . . and yet . . . the Windows, Linux and Macintosh Operating Systems seem to be still happily using UDF in order to format DVD discs to burn data to, and we still can't ! :-(

    That's because . . . I just had to use the Mac side of the iMac hardware, running Mac OSX Tiger, to be able to view and transfer the data from a set of DVDs in UDF format to storage media, that I've now had to burn again with Jalapeno - so that I can read them with my DVD-RW drive using MorphOS. :-(

    It's not impossible to do that, but it's a real pain to not be able to use your preferred OS to carry out such either viewing or saving natively to the OS you're using, and more importantly . . . prefer to use. 8-)
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  • »09.11.23 - 20:55
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