Hi

Will next update of morphos support the G4 powermac 3.1 mainboard?
appels model number: M5183 (EMC 1843)
this is a early powermac G4.

I have one of these powermac G4 with sonnet cpu upgrade installed(1.2ghz)
will it be supported?, or will developer team set the focus on MMD and FW800 model?

I asume there is some diffrence at the mainboard, from year 2000 too 2004-5. Like soundchip, ethernet chip etc..



Cheers

Buzz

No, focus is clearly on MDD and FW800

Will we be seeing support for any Powermac next release?

No Powermac......?!?
I'm going to throw my Quicksilver in the garbage bin......... Naaaah!!!! :P

There should be, if the team members are still working on it, which I assume they are, its been announced since 2.4. Laptops will be MUCH later I expect. My MDD gets regular use anyways, it ain't going anywhere (I use it as my main machine in fact :))

> I asume there is some diffrence at the mainboard, from year 2000 too 2004-5

Last PowerMacs G4 were introduced in January 2003. June 2003 was when the first PowerMac G5 entered the market, so years 2004/5 was G5 time all over.

> No Powermac......?!?

Read pega-1's reply.

No Quicksilver support? Only the MDD models? That's a major disappointment. And what about the earlier models like the Digital Audio?
Virtually all G4 Powermacs ought to be powerful enough to handle MorphOS.
Why aren't they being supported?

@Jim

Perhaps because the developers don't have access to every model out there and have limited time/resources.

I might point you to the original posts:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6684&forum=11

https://morph.zone/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1716

So it's no question if it's going to happen ....

If you expect anything but the MDD / FW800 and maybe Quicksilver models supported, don't hold your breath at least ....

Supporting each and every model that might be hiding in someone's closet is unlikely to happen due to limited resources, basically. And releasing half-assed, untested machine support is not planned, it's already difficult enough to maintain the current hardware base with all it's varying setups.

So yes, PowerMac G4 will be the next target for forthcoming updates, preferable the next update.

While the chipsets are different. The changes in the drivers aren't that great. When the announcement was originally posted, the developer was working with a Quicksilver.
Further, the Quicksilver models have the highest clock speed third party CPU upgrades available.

Since I don't feel like selling my current machine for an MDD, and an EMac does not look attractive I may just have to build an AROS system with parts I have on hand (I've already got an Nvidia 7600GT video card sitting around unused).

Far too many posts suggested that all the G4 Powermacs would be supported. I am more than a little disappointed and leave you apologists to argue the validity of this decision.

Frankly, I think it stinks.

Jim, we all notice your dissapointment, but you make it look as if the Team hasn't done it simply because they didn't want to...

@ Andreas: I meant Quicksilver.. sorry!
But I was joking,,, My Sonnet G4 1.8 is on your way to my home.. I don't think is a good idea to throw everything away!
And reading the old post, yes: a PowerMAC 1.42Ghz Dual CPU MDD(Mirror Drive) F800 is mentioned as a development system and a Powermac Quicksilver should have arrived. Probabily it didn't happened.
Obviously, I would have enjoyed next MorphOS version running on my Quicksikver..
But never say never!

> When the announcement was originally posted, the developer was working
> with a Quicksilver.

No, read it again. The developer said he was working with an MDD and was about to get a Quicksilver. But this alleged Quicksilver was really a Sawtooth, which he clarified shortly after in another thread:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6690&forum=3#68196

But the original announcement was never changed in that regard, yes. It remained with mention of MDD/FW800 and Quicksilver as MorphOS targets.

> reading the old post, yes: [...] a Powermac Quicksilver should have arrived.
> Probabily it didn't happened.

Yes, he said he got a Sawtooth instead of Quicksilver (see my answer to Jim). But that wouldn't mean that there'll be Sawtooth support coming I guess ;-) And it also wouldn't mean that he didn't get a Quicksilver yet after that Sawtooth "mispurchase" ;-)

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In the initial announcements made on Powermac porting, the developer was using a Quicksilver, therefore he obviously had access to one.

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@ Jim

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I recommend that you read Andreas Wolf's comment again. Considering that you claim the developer was using a Quicksilver when he made the initial announcement, it seems obvious that you did not understand his comment.

So a Powermac with 820-1474-A logic board FW 800 is a good one, if I understood well..
Apple made a lot of different motherboard!!! The FW 800 exists even with 820-1500-A number, 167 mhz bus..

Frankly, considering that ALL the Powermac models (even the Sawtooth) would be capable of running MorphOS, this situation is terrible.

As to Andreas' statement, I quote:
"But the original announcement was never changed in that regard, yes. It remained with mention of MDD/FW800 and Quicksilver as MorphOS targets."

MDD AND Quicksilver models.

> As to Andreas' statement, I quote:
> "But the original announcement was never changed in that regard, yes. It remained
> with mention of MDD/FW800 and Quicksilver as MorphOS targets."
> MDD AND Quicksilver models.

That's not the part about what PowerMac(s) the developer said he actually had when posting the announcement. Re-read your own claim regarding that again.

Alright, enough talk about who said what. So, is the "quicksilver/whatever" version easy to do?

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In contrast, I think that the precious time spent in supporting powermacs would be better spent in laptop(powerbook/ibook) version.

What is terrible is that there are no plans to support G5 models. A 2.5Ghz G5 would fly with MorphOS If I could choose between supporting all old G4 powermacs and the latest G5 powermac models I would choose the latter even if it takes more time. Users are well served with Mac Mini & eMac.

you could claim that not supporting certain model of g4 powermac is terrible but IMHO that time could be better spend on powerbook/ibook/G5 ports

[ Edited by Crumb on 2010/6/10 15:41 ]

[ Edited by Crumb on 2010/6/10 15:42 ]

Hey, wait! My Bondi Blue iMac is just great, and Morphos is known to be very snappy on a PPC@233MHz so please MOSTeam, don't be so selfish and start working on the goddam port NOW

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A G5 port would be significantly more work than expanding G4 model coverage. The G5 processor is significantly different than earlier processors.
As to the powerbook, while a nice idea, since the development team has shown no interest in getting wireless (airport) connections running in the past, a laptop that has to be plugged into an Ethernet port does not interest me.
The G4 Powermacs offer a low cost base to encourage new users to adopt MorphOS. The periperal cards that can be plugged into a Powermac are very similar to those that work in a Pegasos, making porting simpler.
A G5 would require many additional new drivers as it's expansion slots and the cards that plug into them are considerably different.