I'm a bit suprised that nobody raised an eyebrow at the announcement from BBRV with further photos of the Efika. It seems it is very near production right now. The news dates back to past friday.
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It's a pity there's no onboard graphics as of now, and I suspect there will never be, if there's not enough customer demand.
Of course, the pity is about lack of MorphOS support, of course. Any new hope in that direction?

Uhm, where's the rest of the thread gone to? Moderated by bbrv?

Welcome in GenaziZone... oups, GenesiZone.

You can delete my account for this big piece of humour

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Good question!

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Moderators of "the silicon grill" forum are Targhan, Hooligan and tokai.

Most likely a technical glitch. Maybe a fallback to some backup? I mean, if someone would have seen the need of removing contents (which has never happened here AFAIK) it sounds a little strange to not removing the whole thread. I mean, now it's open for making the same comments all over again ...

And again - not even during the worst Genesi/MorphOS "crisis" were there any moderation "a la AmigaWorld.net", where posts or whole threads gets deleted. That kind of moderator behaviour has never been seen here AFAIK ...

[ Edited by takemehomegrandma on 2006/9/19 8:21 ]

[ Edited by takemehomegrandma on 2006/9/19 8:22 ]

I don't know about everybody else, but I immediately posted a reply to my own thread, and that post has dissapeared.
The post consisted in a reference to a post by BBRV themselves, saying that MorphOS is already working. That's all.
I've gone back to the thread "Efika4U" at PPCZone, and that post is still present. So I guess there's no conspiracy theory here.

Wait: I got it. BBRV's post has been edited. Now it reads different, it says that it's coming, not that it is already working.
So, I understand that my post was not deleted accidentaly.

This is VERY rude. But I can still understand it. For now.

If BBRV had to change an statement, it should have been done adding a correction, not changing what has been said, and worst of all, shutting someone else's mouth (someone that happens to be a great fan and advocate for their business).

This is the second time that a part of a thread disapeart from MorphZone. Afair that outher thread was about Genesi and MOS-Team, and it got rude and then it was all gone.

You can't tell me that it is again a Server problem.

[ Edited by ThePlayer on 2006/9/19 8:43 ]

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If you look closer, you'll notice that "Genesi" was added as a moderator to most forums here.

It's not that long ago another thread was completely removed.

It is true. We moderated everything.

We were wrong to make the statements we did about MorphOS.

We have been operating with incorrect assumptions and information.

Under the circumstances we felt this was a necessary step for all the parties involved. At this point, there is not much else to say.

R&B

*A post I should NOT be making on MZ, but I bite nonetheless (for I respect this Targhan, MZ and the members of this site)*

tmhg, why the sideswipe on AW? It is on the rarest occassion that we now delete a post, let alone a thread. Are you suggesting that the old ways are resurrected to live up to your expectations? I can easily arrange for it happen, don't push me if you don't wish to see it to happen.

Tell me, which forum does NOT moderate posts or threads? If you don't want to remain on AW, then let me know, I can have it arranged, or for anyone else for that matter, whether they be blue or red or whatever. Since the site has become more embracing (from the administrational point of view), tell me, have you received any negative attitude from us?

I'm so tired of such bickering that I'm not going to waste any more time over this stuff anymore. For as long as you remain there, respect the rules; that's all we ask. If you don't like it, then you can leave; or you can remain. It's up to you. But for as long as you are on there, respect the site's rules and you won't have any problem. If you want your account closed once more, then again, let me know. It's as simple as that, but let AW be.


Apologies to Targhan, the site and its members for this tame outburst, but some things need to be said on certain occassions; especially as it concerns me directly being a moderator on AW.

I guess you could have left the MorphOS-Team statement though...

Leo.

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The MOS-team statement is still available at this site, but it's within another thread

probably not a politically correct question but who owns MorphOS' kernel ?
the MOS Team or Genesi ?


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Oh please, no bullflowers like that... Some things simply deserve to be moderated, and have been moderated in the past on this site aswell. For example, long ago there was a guy posting here. His posts didn't make any sense at all, like random words pasted after each other. Many of his posts were moderated, and obviously that is a good thing.

Also, some people have used this site for spamming (like advertising for a windows-only shareware game) - that SHOULD have been moderated immediately, but probably the thread is still here.

On the other hand, whether or not this thread should have been moderated, that's an another question.

At least the moderator admitted having done it.

And about criticizing moderation of some other forum - why don't you e-mail the moderators directly? That would be a LOT better way to reach them, rather than post offtopic rants at "wrong" site.

@SoundSquare: my guess would be that it's neither Genesi, nor the MorphOS-Team, but Laire.

Leo.

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Thankyou very much for clearing things up. This statement counteracts my opinion about your rudeness.
Coming back to interesting things, I guess this means that MorphOS is NOT ready for the Efika. Does anybody know if Genesi/bplan has to do anything to have MorphOS working? Or does SmartFirmware actually work, thus allowing MorphOS to run, if the core MOS team is willing to do so?
Also, is the MOS team interested at all in having MorphOS running in further Genesi/bplan hardware? Sesing how things develop so slowly (nothing wrong with that, of course), it might be of interest to think about upgrading platform: It's possible for current Pegasos II to get out of production when MorphOS 1.5 is ready...
How hard it is, technically, to get MorphOS on the Efika? And on Pegasos 3?

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If you want to upgrade your MorphOS system, you can rule Efika out (even if there WAS MorphOS available for it) - unless you're running on Classic Amiga, of course

Sure there are other areas where it's better (for example, it's smaller and cheaper) but I most definitely wouldn't call it "upgrade from pegasos

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IMO that was totally uncalled for, you ought to know better...

@ Bodie_CI5, pixie

OK, I am sorry. I know that things have improved greatly the last year or so. For the record, I think the moderation on AW.net is quite sensible now, and I guess it didn't happen by itself, and that someone should have credit for that positive shift.

I guess some of us are still (incorrectly) associating the name "AW.net" with the absurd moderation situation of the past. The *point* with my post was not to discredit AW.net. I apologize.


@ Thread

I know that people feels different about moderation, but in my humble opinion, moderation is *never* good, and *hardly ever* needed (except perhaps with illigal content, etc). No matter how careful you are with the surgical knife, you will allways end up leaving scars. And deleting whole threads is like performing surgery with a chain saw. There must be better ways, like in this case posting some correction and clarification into the ongoing discussion.

Please don't make this a habbit here on MorphZone ...

I witnessed the thread shrink to one post after having problem viewing it. If moderation has occured, it was not me. There was no reason to moderate either.

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Why not just post that you had wrong info and lock the thread

Nah man, I apologise for my outburst; I just get sick of seeing that sort of thing being kicked up every so often. Of course, I don't want anyone to leave any of the sites, I hope you have not taken what I wrote to heart. Anyhow, let's put this behind us, shall we?

@ Genesi: It would have been better if you had just closed the Thread and apologize for all the trouble you caused. With deleting all the Post it looked like some bad censorship.

I'm sorry but it doen't look like bad censorship, it is bad censorship. And not the first time either.

IMO, a very sneaky act of (not so moderate) "moderation" by bbrv. It boils down to abuse of power and it reminds me of the book 1984 where it says "who controls the past, controls the future" and you had "Party members" changing historical articles in the media to suit their own agendas. no explaination, no excuses or appologies...information and facts just suddenly DISSAPEAR

Sorry it's a very sore subject to me but people MUST feel they have freedom to express themself on a forum. If acts like this continue by bbrv people will be scared and aware too much of bbrv and will not be free to discuss issues that might conflict with Genesi ideals (or benefit) This kind of self-censorship can hurt MorphOS development and community and our main focus at MorphZone _should_ be MorphOS, not Genesi/Pegasos

There is no call for them to be moderating any other area of MorphZone than "Genesi Guest House". If you need more general moderators to help, recruit people from MorphOS Dev-team. That is my opinion and im entitled to it