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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    bbrv
    Posts: 750 from 2003/2/14
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    Here are some things we will do:

    We will continue to support MorphOS application development. We will provide boards and the ODW to Developers that we see will use them best.

    We will continue to support MDC and MZ.

    We will continue to bundle 1.4.x with the ODW. The SuperBundle will be slimmed down and focused on just a few apps.

    We will support a high bandwidth download server for special distributions of new MorphOS applications.

    Whatever happens to the core team of developers - they form a company, they sell 1.5, they work together with the OS4 community, etc., etc. and/or whatever, we will not impede them in any way. There will be no claims related to anything done or supported in the past - that goes for Amiga Inc. too. Good luck!

    We hope all the parties concerned will find a successful future. If one day we find a potential and profitable opportunity for MorphOS we will do our best to pull things back together.

    R&B :-)
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    ironfist
    Posts: 254 from 2004/4/22
    From: Pegasos.org
    This sounds good.

    Let's hope this mess finally ends..
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    liquidbit
    Posts: 407 from 2003/10/12
    That is a statement I was waiting to hear...

    Lets hope that the MOS core developers have a plan for their new OS.


    (bad news is better than no news)
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    gunne
    Posts: 441 from 2003/2/25
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    bbrv:

    Seems very fine ! :-)

    Gunne
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    marcik
    Posts: 268 from 2003/4/12
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    Maybe it's time for MOS-Team statement?
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  • opi
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    opi
    Posts: 100 from 2003/3/9
    From: Lodz, Poland
    Quote:

    Here are some things we will do:

    I see no ,,beer'' on this list. :-)
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Acill
    Posts: 1926 from 2003/10/19
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    I would hope for a statement from the MOS team now. Even if its a decision to stop Pegasos development and they will focus on embeded markets or something, just a statement of the facts would help us all.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Velcro_SP
    Posts: 929 from 2003/7/13
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    [ Edited by Velcro_SP 01.09.2011 - 16:52 ]
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    JKD
    Posts: 456 from 2003/4/4
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    A nice succinct statement of intent and a clear direction.

    Can we please have the same from the MOS team?

    [ Edited by JKD on 2005/1/15 15:44 ]
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    Aaron
    Posts: 127 from 2003/6/14
    From: Tucson, AZ
    @BBRV

    Well said.

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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    DSLCC
    Posts: 246 from 2003/5/14
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    Sounds good. Thanks BBRV!

    David
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    Aaron
    Posts: 127 from 2003/6/14
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    Double posted again...

    [ Edited by Aaron on 2005/1/16 12:56 ]
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    BatteMan
    Posts: 285 from 2003/2/24
    From: France
    Good !!! But Does BBRV really own MorphOS ?
    It seems like a good method to not pay developpers...

    [ Edited by BatteMan on 2005/1/16 2:27 ]
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    takemehomegrandma
    Posts: 2720 from 2003/2/24
    IMHO this is very sad to see, but understandable after the Gerber
    nuke. Perhaps impossible to do different after that? But coding is the
    *easy* part in building a platform. Will MorphOS become another AROS
    now? Two AROS projects, together twice as meaningless? Hobby projects
    by a handful of hobby coders that can provide code but no potential
    for commercial success and sustainable platform development? Genesi
    obviously has not been able to do this for MorphOS after the 1.4
    release either, but they certainly were before, and they may become
    able to do this again.

    But I guess the impatient ones has to do all this in a better way
    by themselves now!

    Anyway, I am a little bit surprized by the generousity here. After
    half a million dollars and years of active platform building. But it's
    good to see that they will continue to bundle 1.4 with ODW machines
    and continue to support the OS in other ways still.

    Good luck MorphOS!
    MorphOS is Amiga done right! :-)
    MorphOS NG will be AROS done right! :-)
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    takemehomegrandma
    Posts: 2720 from 2003/2/24
    @ BatteMan

    I guess they own what they paid for. At least they should own *the
    right to use* what they paid for. MorphOS 1.4 that is.
    MorphOS is Amiga done right! :-)
    MorphOS NG will be AROS done right! :-)
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    DSLCC
    Posts: 246 from 2003/5/14
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    Quote:

    Good !!! But Does BBRV really own MorphOS ?
    It seems like a good method to not pay developpers...



    Well...when's the last time you paid for something you didn't own? Silly comment, huh?

    The last time I paid for something I don't own was when I bought a T-Shirt. :angel:

    :-D :-D

    [ Edited by DSLCC on 2005/1/15 19:41 ]

    [ Edited by DSLCC on 2005/1/15 19:42 ]
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    takemehomegrandma
    Posts: 2720 from 2003/2/24
    Hmm, after thinking about this for a few more moments I am answering
    myself. This is my new interpretation:

    Genesi is not giving up on MorphOS at all. They still have got
    everything in 1.4, including the core of the OS. The OS can be further
    developed in the future by Genesi together with anyone who has the
    right coding skills. Some components of the 1.4 version of the OS that
    needs updating may then have to be replaced/rewritten, if no other
    solution can be reached at that point in time. This will take various
    amount of work and resources, but it can be done. So there may still
    be hope for the platform IMHO!

    :-)

    What's new here is the statement that Genesi will not use, nor claim
    the right to use in future, any "post 1.4" code made by certain
    developers. They are instead totally free to further develop and use
    this code in any way they seem fit. The developers in question that
    may be interested in doing so, could give it away, sell it, throw it
    away or do whatever they like with it. They could give it/sell it to
    AROS or OS4. They could even start a business based on it and perhaps
    sell separate upgrade packages, based on *their* branch of the code,
    to current MorphOS 1.4 users (which many probably would buy). Perhaps
    they can even try to put together a complete new OS of themselves,
    with or without Quark and other similar components, the licensed parts
    of the 1.4 release, etc, etc. Who knows? That would take a hell of a
    lot more effort and risc willingness from those brave coders, but if
    they are serious enough in their efforts, I think some nice results
    can be achieved. At least code-wise.

    In any way, I think we see a fork here.
    MorphOS is Amiga done right! :-)
    MorphOS NG will be AROS done right! :-)
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  • Cocoon
    Cocoon
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    Posts: 51 from 2003/9/10
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    You tend to forget one thing. Many of the parts that were licenced, were licenced by Thendic-France, not Genesi SARL. This might cause some problems in the above plan, as in that case, the parts are not owned by Genesi, despite being paid for, for the same reason for which Genesi does not owe the developers any money. Different companies, different obligations and licences.
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  • Butterfly
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    ButterflyKisses
    Posts: 85 from 2004/3/10
    @bbrv

    glad to hear it
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    Darth_X
    Posts: 571 from 2003/2/10
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    Quote:


    Acill wrote:
    I would hope for a statement from the MOS team now. Even if its a decision to stop Pegasos development and they will focus on embeded markets or something, just a statement of the facts would help us all.


    Which MOS team are we refering to? The one featured on morphos.net (guest starring Wayne Hunt and Jens Schoenfeld) or the other one which is actually doing all the work? :-?
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    Aaron
    Posts: 127 from 2003/6/14
    From: Tucson, AZ
    @Darth_X

    Both.

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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    BatteMan
    Posts: 285 from 2003/2/24
    From: France
    DSLLC : BBRV doesn't own the MOSTeam, so he couldn't give the liberty to us.
    He doesn't want anymore MOS1.5 'cause he doesn't want to pay. It's clear now ?
    Proud user of MorphOS since 2003 !
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  • Butterfly
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    robjoh
    Posts: 79 from 2004/11/25
    From: Sweden
    Sounds good, now may we see a statement from the MOS-team?
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Acill
    Posts: 1926 from 2003/10/19
    From: Port Hueneme, Ca.
    Quote:


    BatteMan wrote:
    DSLLC : BBRV doesn't own the MOSTeam, so he couldn't give the liberty to us.
    He doesn't want anymore MOS1.5 'cause he doesn't want to pay. It's clear now ?


    Thats been clear all along. What most of us are looking for is some real information from the developers on the direction MorphOS is now going if at all any more. Will it continue on the Pegasos? Will it continue at all as a consumer level OS or move to something else? Now is the time to let us all know.
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    hooligan
    Posts: 1948 from 2003/2/23
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    Thats been clear all along. What most of us are looking for is some real information from the developers on the direction MorphOS is now going if at all any more. Will it continue on the Pegasos? Will it continue at all as a consumer level OS or move to something else? Now is the time to let us all know.



    What part of "Any new version of MorphOS for the Pegasos won't happen before the above counters reach zero" you don't understand?
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