Hi,

Well, topic is enough ;)

It's been a while since first Mac-G5 appeared... Even new IMac will come with G5.

New dual-core G5 "Antares" are in the work and should be available by 2005.

Now: what about the Pegasos ?

Leo.

It'd be nice to have a G5 Pegasos I don't know what for, but it sure sounds like POWER with capitals

For me a new Pegasos must not have a G5, but PCI-X (=better grafic), USB2, Serial-ATA, rest should stay as it is (=1 (2) gbit network...)

And others as PCI Express, latest firewire standard, 3 gigabit ethernet. About G5 is OK, I think that these chipset will can support from G3 to G5, using all capabilities of them...

then you will can choose Pegasos III with G4 or G5? Sounds nice

You know a G5 would be nice alnd all, but lets first get MOS to take advantage of the G4 we have now and the rest of the stuff not supported on the Pegasos II before we start asking for updates.

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Current Peg will only support to G4 but standalong e600 should also work when it's released.

I still like the idea of a G5 machine, do a low-profile ATX with dual 970FX and you've got a machine for everything from low power (ish) blades right up to high end linux desktop with as good as if not better (G5 is very good on FP) performance than a top end PC.

The IBM North Bridge also supports AGP X8...

I'd not worry about PCI-E for now, try finding a card or application which can make use of it - how many of you are doing non-compressed HDTV editing on your Peg???


The Red side are also interested - they have one guy who wants to design the board himself...

i would wait for the new dual core G5

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*sigh* defeatist attitude?

No more AGP please, it is obsolete technology!

If Genesi were to adopt PCI-Express now, they could become a brand name supplier of Graphics, Audio or Media Card (which incorporates graphics & audio into one highspeed PCI-E card). With premier support for Linux and MorphOS (could also do drivers for Mac and PC, and charge a premium to make them!).

Before someone says "Genesi has no money to fund it" you might be correct, but that doesn't mean that the money isn't out there in the form of investors who want high end (open?), non-x86 / non-Apple systems. The Pegasos G4 and ODW are now proven technology being mentioned on both IBM and freescale websites., so that makes the Pegasos a playing card in Genesi's deck! What game are we playing, eh?

[edit] Here in America and Canada, we all spent thousands of $$$ on high end Amiga systems for professional multimedia work, lots of it video production. I have friends who have had A3000T's in the audio/music studio, A1200Ts, and I've talked to people who used video toasters. Ironic I never got to use one myself though I've seen them around.

I'm not saying that we should try to make a product to sell to former Amiga users, but rather a high end system we can sell for around $2000 or similar to what Apple's current G5 price is and make a machine for Multimedia and Professional Production work such as Video, Audio, Multimedia.

There might not be software for MorphOS yet to run on a platform like this, but there's always the high end linux applications like cinelerra that can be used with the platform, perhaps a bundled setup to start things. If not like it would happen overnight, look how long it has taken MorphOS and the Pegasos to get where they are today. But you have to start at sometime, somewhere.


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A project like this wouldn't go very far unless of course things have changed in the red light district.

[ Edited by Darth_X on 2004/8/11 15:04 ]

if genesi adoped pci express there would be very few inexpencive cards for the pegasos. but i think a dual core G5 would be nice and mabey by the time that was released pci express would be a beter option. plus when the new G5s are released they wont be so damn hot

I wished they'd make Pegasus with faster chips. G4s with 1.5GHz like Apple has.

It's hard to convince people to buy more expensive and more slower machines.

Also having Dual Processors may help the cause.

personmaly it hink a dual G4 would be a great! idea! it could even e more cost eficiant than 1 new G5 with the dual core that will suposidly be at 3 ghz and 2 G4's at 1.5 would be jsut as fast. even the 1.25 ones would be great. but as genesi told us a while back new boards are comming taht have the faster chicps. plus these chips like the G3 and G4 make great embeded chips the G5 would not by any means at this point. to hot way to hot! a 950 mhz G3 board would be a great embeded board for something like linux or QNX (god bless QNX) and would sell very good in embeded markets, and since genesi needs some quick cash that might not be a bad place to look. now if we had onboard graphics then we would be in business. that would save eve more space in the box and make an even better embeded system.

Not sure the Mac is cheaper

As far as I remenber G5 consummes about 80W -> so it's not suitable for desktop computer.


/me had the choice between a G3 and a G4, and took the G3.

Bye

Hello All,
Here is a quote from a news item on Morphos-news.de.
http://www.morphos-news.de/?lg=en&nid=872&si=1

"Genesi will be releasing a motherboard with the PPC970 processor (G5), and we are looking forward to this very much. It is an exciting time indeed!" - James Rhodes"
Hmmmm,
Pegasos III?


nels


[ Edited by nels664868 on 2004/9/26 22:31 ]

i so hope its gona be the 1.8 GHz one....though i hope this will not hurt relations with freescale

Maybe a PPC970 from Freescale? They are on these ppc group and can do it, no?

no its made by IBM not freescale

I think that Genesi for obvious reasons are more interested in working with Motorola/Freescale at the moment. And to be honest, their upcoming dual core G4, with integrated DDR2 controller, Gigabit Ethernet and Rapid I/O etc, looks very interesting IMHO. It will offer *great performance* to all applications not really in need of 64 bit CPU's (one of the key features of the G5), and as opposite to the G5, it would be something quite unique on a desktop computer.

[ Edited by takemehomegrandma on 2004/9/27 9:40 ]

i am in full agreence

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Sorry, but this is not a statement by Genesi/bpan. There has been a loose announcemet for a G5 Maschine for this autumn (Gerald Carda said soemthing like this last autumn), but things changed since then.

Currently Freescale is higher Priority and IMO the whole G5 thing is overvalued.
Let's get fast G4 first and, hopefully, dual G4 as well. But the G5 is IMO not highest priority.
I agree a maschine with SATA, usb 2.0, FW800 and PCI-Express would be nice. For PCI Express one must take into account if current pci express gfx chip sets used (mostly nVidia PCX 5#? and ATI X#?) are somehow supported...

I took out the part on the G5 processor on my web page, because I am being misquoted. Also, I have asked the German site to correct what they wrote, because they have said I developed Amiga hardware and software. Wrong! I don't know how the writer picked that out of the sky, but I was a Commodore Amiga Authorised Dealer SELLING hardware and software. I was also a DISTRIBUTOR for a very large Amiga games company, here in North America. Also, I was a DISTRIBUTOR of the Official AMOS PD Library in North America. I don't know how you get making hardware/software out of what I had did as an Amiga dealer. <sigh>

I read on Genesi's own websites that they are planning to bring out a G5 processor motherboard, but the timetable is unknown. This is why I said that they WILL be releasing one, but like I said, that could be later this year or next year. My guess is as good as anyone else's. Everyone wants a faster processor, including myself. I do agree with a few other people about SATA connectors (I personally want 4 of them) on the motherboard, PCI Express slots, and dual G4 processors. That should be done before they even attempt to go to a G5. Many people would love a dual G4 set up.

NOTE: the German site has corrected their story.

James Rhodes of SeaScape Software, from North America, sold commercial Amiga hard- and software as an Authorised Commodore Amiga Dealer. He also distributed Amiga software from Europe, and shareware and freeware titles until the early 90s when Commodore closed down. Afterward, he switched to the Mac platform, but has announced to concentrate software development efforts on the Pegasos/MorphOS platform.

Before we can get a Dual G4 system MorphOS would need to take advantage of it. As of now it cant. If you run Linux well then thats totaly diffrent.

yes i am very confused about all this.....it seemes genesi and ibm have been better buddies than we realizesd.......doesnt this chicp suck up a ton of poewer? anyways i think freescale will be pissed since they are buying all these opendesktop workstations and giving them away for developers to help the platform and then genesi is like "oh freescale by the way..." but this is all speculations......by the way bbrv *now* would be the *best* time to explain a little of the behind the sences stuff......

@poundsmack

Why would freescale be pissed? Seems to me they have a license to make G5/PPC970's.

I know someone will post the link here to freescale's site where they mention this

i though IBM made all there chips in house?

@Acill,

While I agree that it will be nice when MOS takes full advantage of
the current hardware, I think it would be dangerous to pause hardware
development until the software catches up. It could be 2 or 3 years
until MOS gets to that point.

In order to make the hardware attractive to Linux buyers, it must
continue to progress, no matter where MOS is in development.

--Aaron