Crowdfunding for TALOS Workstation
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    Update:

    > OCuLink won't be available in single-CPU configuration.

    Apparently, OCuLink won‘t be available at all:

    "μPCIe connector [...] is incorrectly identified as OCuLink [...] due to errors that were discovered post-production in IBM OpenPOWER reference designs. While the physical connector is the same as OCuLink ports, the wiring is different, notably in the presence detect / clocking pins. As such, while an OCuLink peripheral is unlikely to be damaged by being plugged in to the μPCIe port, it will not function while attached."
    https://wiki.raptorcs.com/w/images/e/e3/T2P9D01_users_guide_version_1_0.pdf (page 69)
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  • Butterfly
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    bennymee
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    Jim wrote:
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    xilinder wrote:
    Can do.

    At this time I'm looking at;

    Dual Sforza CPU
    LSI 8i SAS card
    4 8GB RAM modules

    I was thinking about the Microsemi SAS controller but after some email exchanges with Raptor it turns out that chip uses proprietary firmware/microcode and the LSI board has open drivers.

    As for all the RAM. The system works best with each CPU having its own RAM. It could be 1 8GB module for each but according to Raptor the performance gain with 2 modules per CPU is amazing.

    Since I won't be running any kind of server or tracking asteroids in other galaxies the 4 core CPUs should be more than enough for any desktop type usage.




    Dual CPUs, four cores each, four concurrent threads per core...32 threads? Yeah, that should be adequate. 😋



    More then adequate!

    Pricing of those Power9 cpu's is not excessive either imho.
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    bennymee wrote:

    More then adequate!

    Pricing of those Power9 cpu's is not excessive either imho.





    No, on a price/performance ratio basis a single Power 9 cpu system actually beats an X5000.
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    xilinder
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    Update:

    > OCuLink won't be available in single-CPU configuration.

    Apparently, OCuLink won‘t be available at all:


    I don't believe that will bother me at all. uPCIe has more possibilities for a desktop system IMO. Have to see what's what once they're in the street.
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    polluks
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    https://wiki.raptorcs.com/wiki/Talos_II

    [ Editiert durch polluks 27.03.2018 - 21:13 ]
    Pegasos II G4: MorphOS 3.9, Zalman M220W
    Power Mac G3: OSX 10.3 · PowerBook 5,8: OSX 10.5, MorphOS 3.10
  • »27.03.18 - 20:10
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    xilinder
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    The Raptor Talos II Current Status has changed from 'Pre-order acceptance' to 'Full Production'.

    Talos II
  • »28.03.18 - 13:09
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    here the Talos benchmark. .. happy reading

    https://openbenchmarking.org/result/1803284-AR-TALOS2RAP51
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  • Jim
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    tlosmx wrote:
    here the Talos benchmark. .. happy reading

    https://openbenchmarking.org/result/1803284-AR-TALOS2RAP51


    I can't open that right now (I'm on my phone) because that wasn't posted as an active link.

    Good to know that the TalosII is in full production.
    It proves that the PPC is NOT entirely dead.

    Were there a cheaper single cpu design based on a standard ATX form factor I'd be pushing for continued development of MorphOS PPC.
    After all, X86 used to represent the enemy, and Amiga has always marched to a different tune.


    And with low endian byte order and a competitive cpu design, Power9 would bring us up go parity with the PC market without having to resort to the compromise of adopting their architecture.

    And yes, I understand the economic arguements, but I'm willing to pay a little more for something unique. That's been my argument in favor of the X5000, and the TalosII has none of the compromises of the X5000 (and is only a little more expensive than the X5000, plus that cost could be reduced with a simplified design).

    Guys, I LIKE PPCs, and I'm going go miss the distinction of running on alternative hardware when we move to X64.

    Plus, it would be far easier to port to Power9 than it will be to move to X64.

    So, to all those that want to drop PPC development after the X6r fork, I'll say this one more time. I'll follow you, but I'm retaining some PPC hardware because it shows what WE can do, outside of the PC industry.
    And so liked the distinction of being different.

    We were always outsiders, even if we originated everything that the mainstreamers adopted.
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  • »30.03.18 - 16:26
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > https://openbenchmarking.org/result/1803284-AR-TALOS2RAP51

    Compilation has been done with GCC 7.3.0. POWER9 (Power ISA 3.0) support was introduced with GCC 6 and enhanced with GCC 7. For whatever reason, "--with-cpu=power8" was used as GCC switch, needlessly decreasing performance.

    Accompanying article:
    https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Raptor-TALOS2-Initial-Tests
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > with low endian byte order [...], Power9 would bring us up go parity with the PC
    > market [...]. [...] it would be far easier to port to Power9 than it will be to move to X64.

    Yes, especially with POWER9 used in big-endian mode :-)
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    xilinder
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > with low endian byte order [...], Power9 would bring us up go parity with the PC
    > market [...]. [...] it would be far easier to port to Power9 than it will be to move to X64.

    Yes, especially with POWER9 used in big-endian mode :-)


    :-) :-)

    All I can say about the test is that it worked. A definite lack of information and like many benchmark tests they may not be 'tuned' to the POWER9 or the Talos2. That will take time.

    Have to see real world performance anyway.

    Long Live POWER.
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    xilinder
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    About the 4th comment down at
    https://twitter.com/RaptorCompSys/status/975910664924311553
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > From what I gathered on IRC #talos-workstation, the quad-core has a TDP
    > of 90W, the octa-core 190W TDP. Both of them can clock up to about 4 GHz

    Now official:

    4-core POWER9: 3.2 GHz base, 3.8 GHz turbo, 90W TDP
    8-core POWER9: 3.45 GHz base, 3.8 GHz turbo, 160W TDP
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  • Butterfly
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    bennymee
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    xilinder wrote:
    About the 4th comment down at
    https://twitter.com/RaptorCompSys/status/975910664924311553


    That is good news, hower the Power 9 Little Endian support, what could that bring 'us' ?
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    xilinder
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    bennymee wrote:
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    xilinder wrote:
    About the 4th comment down at
    https://twitter.com/RaptorCompSys/status/975910664924311553


    That is good news, hower the Power 9 Little Endian support, what could that bring 'us' ?


    POWER9 can operate in Big Endian, and someplace I read it could also do mixed endian, but don't hold me to that.

    Big Endian is actively in development with Debian.

    Debian
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > someplace I read it could also do mixed endian, but don't hold me to that.

    Yes, for different guests running on the hypervisor in parallel.

    > Big Endian is actively in development with Debian.
    > Debian

    ...but only as unofficial port (same as for 32-bit PowerPC and for PowerPC SPE).
  • »04.04.18 - 00:24
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    bennymee wrote:
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    xilinder wrote:
    About the 4th comment down at
    https://twitter.com/RaptorCompSys/status/975910664924311553


    That is good news, hower the Power 9 Little Endian support, what could that bring 'us' ?




    An easier way to build Odyssey from Webkit, other packages geared toward mainstream little endian cpus.
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  • »04.04.18 - 06:28
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  • Caterpillar
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    xilinder
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    Just some news.

    CLICK!
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  • Jim
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    Damn that's a pretty board.
    And I DO have an EATX case here...

    I never really got into Fedora though.
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  • »11.05.18 - 14:36
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    xilinder
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    I have an old Antec eATX case but doubt it would fit, at least the bottom 5 1/4 drive bay might have to be hacked a bit.

    Sure would like to see one, but I would probably ruin it by drooling all over it.

    SUSE and Ubuntu should be along soon.
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