MorphOS on AmigaOne X5000?
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    >>> *IF* full MorphOS support arrives

    >> Would this include multicore support?

    > That's an odd question, why do you bring it up?

    Because there are people who have been saying OS4 doesn't fully support the X1000/Nemo as long as the 2nd CPU core is unused.
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    Because there are people who have been saying OS4 doesn't fully support the X1000/Nemo as long as the 2nd CPU core is unused.


    Well I wouldn't say that, except maybe to point out the false advertising my certain people connected with HYPErion. I'm firmly in the camp who believes the competent developers (AKA MorphOS team) who state this is impossible without breaking backwards compatibility.

    Speaking of Hermans, how many years has it been since he proclaimed in the forums it was not only possibly to implement SMP in OS4, but it wouldn't take a year? Has it been 6-7 years? I'm sure you have it bookmarked :-D
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    I'm not sure they said it was impossible.
    Rather that it wouldn't work in the same box.
    But that does not preclude wrapping Abox with an even more powerful system.

    However...that isn't happening (and to the best of my knowledge what they are considering for OS4 won't be anywhere near that ambitious).
    What our developers are planning is stepping away from complete legacy compatibility (to a new ISA) in order to actually implement the things the other camp has been promising without the issues they will have to face.
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    > Speaking of Hermans, how many years has it been since he proclaimed
    > in the forums it was not only possibly to implement SMP in OS4, but
    > it wouldn't take a year? Has it been 6-7 years?

    It was 5 years ago that he said it wouldn't take 2 years.

    http://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7183&start=336

    > I'm sure you have it bookmarked :-D

    I don't, but it's easy to find again :-)
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > Speaking of Hermans, how many years has it been since he proclaimed
    > in the forums it was not only possibly to implement SMP in OS4, but
    > it wouldn't take a year? Has it been 6-7 years?

    It was 5 years ago that he said it wouldn't take 2 years.

    http://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7183&start=336

    > I'm sure you have it bookmarked :-D

    I don't, but it's easy to find again :-)


    Thanks!
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    KennyR wrote:
    as the chances of MorphOS running on X5000 are practically nil


    Yeah, you got me there. Honestly it's AmigaOS 4 with MorphOS skin I'm testing for over a year now :P
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    pampers wrote:
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    KennyR wrote:
    as the chances of MorphOS running on X5000 are practically nil


    Yeah, you got me there. Honestly it's AmigaOS 4 with MorphOS skin I'm testing for over a year now :P




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    I remember when I moved to a town in the South Wales valleys as a kid. There was a mentally impaired guy that always wore a Liverpool FC shirt, scarf and bobble hat. Some of the local kids had worked out that if they shouted Man United once, he'd go on a long rant about how shit Man United were.

    [ Edited by rob 15.10.2016 - 01:20 ]
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    I remember when I moved to a town in the South Wales valleys as a kid. There was a mentally impaired guy that always wore a Liverpool FC shirt, scarf and bobble hat. Some of the local kids had work out that if they shouted Man United once, he'd go on a long rant about how shit Man United were.


    I kinda like the comparison of OS4 to Liverpool FC :)
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    pampers wrote:
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    KennyR wrote:
    as the chances of MorphOS running on X5000 are practically nil


    Yeah, you got me there. Honestly it's AmigaOS 4 with MorphOS skin I'm testing for over a year now :P




    Say, you didn't have to make outside-warranty alterations to the board or anything did you?

    [ Edited by KennyR 11.10.2016 - 00:28 ]
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    Jim wrote:
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    > the chances of MorphOS running on X5000 are practically nil

    Huh?


    You just noticed that one?
    Weird huh?
    Considering Wiktor has a system running it, I'm baffled.

    And as of last night, we can all buy one.

    So what would prevent it is completely beyond me.




    True, but at least it won't be beyond you forever.

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    Stevo wrote:
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    rob wrote:
    I remember when I moved to a town in the South Wales valleys as a kid. There was a mentally impaired guy that always wore a Liverpool FC shirt, scarf and bobble hat. Some of the local kids had work out that if they shouted Man United once, he'd go on a long rant about how shit Man United were.


    I kinda like the comparison of OS4 to Liverpool FC :)


    4th in the premier league may be up-playing OS4 a little but if that's how you see it, which operating systems do you feel equate to Man City, Tottenham and Arsenal?
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    I remember when I moved to a town in the South Wales valleys as a kid. There was a mentally impaired guy that always wore a Liverpool FC shirt, scarf and bobble hat. Some of the local kids had work out that if they shouted Man United once, he'd go on a long rant about how shit Man United were.


    I find myself wondering how you managed to tell him apart from all the other Welshmen.
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    I don't think it's worth debating, as the chances of MorphOS running on X5000 are practically nil, so nobody's going to be buying that stuff and not using it.

    Just say a little bird told me.


    Hmm... If there is truth to that statement then the MorphOS Team should issue a statement quickly, so people like Jim aren't suckered into buying an X5000 or Cyrus board early which will not see a MorphOS release.



    I don't think the responsibility rests with the MorphOS team to stop people buying hardware that, for one reason or another, won't support an official MorphOS release. It's up to people like Jim to wait until there is an official MorphOS release on it before buying one.

    $1500 is a lot of money to waste on a leap of faith, and "It won't run the OS I wanted" isn't a valid warranty claim, especially as the seller make absolutely no claims as to running it.

    So, people have figured out that there is no practical reason why MorphOS wouldn't run on X5000, it clearly does. There isn't a legal leg to stand on not running MorphOS on X5000, as even in 2016 you can still run anything you want on a computer. Or, wait, can you? I have a theory. Let's see how it pans out.
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    This post was edited by a moderator.

    Reason for editing: A 120+ word comment filled with personal insults towards another forum member is completely unacceptable. The F-word, which was later edited by the author himself, was nowhere near being as offending as any of the other content. (ASiegel)

    The "f-word" was never used.
    If Andre wants to pretend that it was, that's his concern (since the only time I have ever used that word in relation to this forum was in a direct PM to Andre himself).

    But as far as the other content, I stand by it.

    Clearly the poster has under the impression that he has secret information no one else has, and that would appear to be delusional.

    So, why doesn't he put up or shut up?

    [ Edited by Jim 11.10.2016 - 05:51 ]
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    I don't think the responsibility rests with the MorphOS team to stop people buying hardware that, for one reason or another, won't support an official MorphOS release. It's up to people like Jim to wait until there is an official MorphOS release on it before buying one.



    Yes and no. Technically yes, but if things went sour and a hardware partner is either acting in bad faith or for some other reason will block support, it would behoove them to let their userbase know. The MOS team has been pretty open that the X5000/Cyrus is a target platform. If this has changed, don't drive sales to the competition.
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    So, people have figured out that there is no practical reason why MorphOS wouldn't run on X5000, it clearly does. There isn't a legal leg to stand on not running MorphOS on X5000, as even in 2016 you can still run anything you want on a computer. Or, wait, can you? I have a theory. Let's see how it pans out.

    Please note that MorphOS was publicly demonstrated running on an A-Eon X5000 at the Amiga 30 event in Neuss, Germany. Where do you think the developers got the required development hardware from more than a year before retail deliveries finally started?
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    I was there at Neuss, I can confirm that there was indeed a working beta of MorphOS running on a X5000 there. The developers there confirmed it as well.

    I took a picture of it and uploaded it to Wikimedia.

    MorphOS_beta_on_X5000.jpg

    Is this proof enough?
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    So, people have figured out that there is no practical reason why MorphOS wouldn't run on X5000, it clearly does. There isn't a legal leg to stand on not running MorphOS on X5000, as even in 2016 you can still run anything you want on a computer. Or, wait, can you? I have a theory. Let's see how it pans out.

    Please note that MorphOS was publicly demonstrated running on an A-Eon X5000 at the Amiga 30 event in Neuss, Germany. Where do you think the developers got the required development hardware from more than a year before retail deliveries finally started?


    Nobody is denying that MorphOS *runs* on the X5000. Whether or not it runs optimally or requires invalidation of warranty, is another matter. And if it does not, there will be no official release of MorphOS.

    [ Edited by KennyR 11.10.2016 - 09:55 ]
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    Say, you didn't have to make outside-warranty alterations to the board or anything did you?


    The only thing I did to the motherboard was exchanging cpu fan as I have the oldest revision with quite crap and noisy fan, other than that - nothing. And please notice that this fan exchange wasn't required to get MorphOS running on my Cyrus+
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    > Whether or not it runs optimally or requires invalidation of warranty, is another matter.

    As for running optimally, I trust the development and optimization abilities of the MorphOS team. Regarding "invalidation of warranty", what do you mean here?

    > And if it does not, there will be no official release of MorphOS.

    Yes, quality standards of the MorphOS team are high, so optimal running will be pretty much prerequisite for release. But I don't see how there won't be an official MorphOS release if it doesn't require "invalidation of warranty" (whatever that should mean).
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    KennyR wrote:
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    So, people have figured out that there is no practical reason why MorphOS wouldn't run on X5000, it clearly does. There isn't a legal leg to stand on not running MorphOS on X5000, as even in 2016 you can still run anything you want on a computer. Or, wait, can you? I have a theory. Let's see how it pans out.

    Please note that MorphOS was publicly demonstrated running on an A-Eon X5000 at the Amiga 30 event in Neuss, Germany. Where do you think the developers got the required development hardware from more than a year before retail deliveries finally started?


    Nobody is denying that MorphOS *runs* on the X5000. Whether or not it runs optimally or requires invalidation of warranty, is another matter. And if it does not, there will be no official release of MorphOS.


    How could you possibly have to void the warranty by in order to run MorphOS on the X5000?
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