MorphOS on AmigaOne X5000?
  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    KennyR
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    Right...
    Because I should listen to you instead of the few developers I know or the friend that I have that's using an X5000 under MorphOS right now, sure...

    OK Red, you're right, Amigans ARE a bunch of head cases.


    Fortunately not as much as a bunch of head cases as Amiga vendors - especially A-Eonkit.

    Do you really think they'd risk MorphOS becoming more popular on their flagship "OS4 boards"? I'm told by at least one very good source in the OS4 camp that they have absolutely no intention of allowing that. Cheep cheep.

    But keep believing, if it helps you get through the day.


    I don't know who has been filling you in on their opinion about this, but Trevor supports the idea of MorphOS running on the X5000.
    And besides, why would we give a rat's ass what the OS4 community wants?
    Its not like they can stop third party software from running on the hardware.

    And if A-eonkit didn't want our developers working with Aeon's hardware, why would they have helped them to source it?
    We aren't warring factions you know, its just a hobbyist platform, not a religion.


    Remember how Hyperion ported OS4 to the Pegasos 2 in 2006 and then sat on it for years until Genesi had stopped selling them? Remember how people actually *saw* OS4 running on the Peg2 and had posted screenshots, only to be met with a wall of impenetrable silence or outright denials? (Something about "undocumented hardware" springs to mind, as with the Apples) Remember how it was then released without a word of apology or anything else when it was clear that Genesi wouldn't make a single penny from it, and any questioning of why it took so long was ignored or censored?

    If you think anything has changed in the last decade, you may be somewhat disappointed. Hyperion (or Amikit?) wanted Cyrus, back in the day, to be exclusive, and Trevor wanted everything on it.
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    @redrumloa

    I get you, I don't like over-paying for things either.
    Frankly, I'd feel more comfortable with something in Tabor's price range, but with a better processor (like an T10XX).

    But we aren't getting anything like that any time soon as it would be an admission that the use of the P1022 was a bad idea.

    [ Edited by Jim 09.10.2016 - 18:56 ]
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  • Butterfly
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    eliyahu
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    And the price @ AmiWest?
    Show special, with only two in stock, direct from the manufacturer.

    not exactly. those two boards belonged to alex perez, who has been working on linux and u-boot development for the X5000. those aren't 'direct' from A-EON, but rather alex's boards; he just hadn't used them since he had plenty of others. those were what was left. that's why the price was lower and 'show only.'

    for folks in the US, amigaonthelake.com has plenty of stock in-house at the moment, and A-EON has additional dealers in europe with stock ready. the install CD is about to get pressed -- and once it does, things should be shipping to customers.

    -- eliyahu
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  • rob
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    @Red

    A few MorphOS users that bought a Sam460 had the price of OS4 refunded but I think that's something under EU law. There's probably no such law in the US but the new dealer there may prefer a sale without a few hundred dollars of bundled software than no sale at all. There's no harm in you asking now, at least you'll know if your concerns a valid or not.

    @Kenny

    Do you seriously believe that the bigger part of the X5000's market will be MorphOS users?
    Save the snarky comment about how few OS4 users you'd like to think there are. How do you think they are going to stop OS4 from running on the X5000 anyway?
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  • Jim
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    rob wrote:
    ...How do you think they are going to stop OS4 from running on the X5000 anyway?


    And would anyone want to anyway?
    This thread has gone completely off the edge today.

    Although, it is heartening knowing the US has an X5000 vendor with product in stock.
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11723 from 2003/5/22
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    > Chinese ARM fork

    Chinese ARM SoCs use genuine Cortex-A cores from ARM Ltd.

    > Will you get anything but an ancient, buggy PPC Linux on it? Not so likely.

    http://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=11&topic_id=11137&start=96

    > Would the MorphOS developers [...] do more than lipservice to the handful
    > of people who would run it on one? Fat chance.

    Lipservice? What does that mean in context of X5000 support?

    > Will you get your browser to play YouTube videos? Not with *that* CPU.

    I play Youtube videos (in 360p) with a slower CPU.
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    >>> Can we get real benchmarks now from MorphOS 3.10 betatesters?

    >> I'm sure pampers' offer from comment #226 still stands.

    > I already did some.

    I know, thanks again.

    > Looking for something else, just gimme a shout.

    I hope redrumloa's question wasn't a hollow one.
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  • Jim
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    @ Andreas,

    I'm just happy that the quoted prices remained close to what had been previously mentioned.
    Red can negotiate for a package without the software.
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > the chances of MorphOS running on X5000 are practically nil

    Huh?
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > I'm told by at least one very good source in the OS4 camp that they have
    > absolutely no intention of allowing that.

    Fortunately, the MorphOS team doesn't need anyone's allowance.
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > the chances of MorphOS running on X5000 are practically nil

    Huh?


    You just noticed that one?
    Weird huh?
    Considering Wiktor has a system running it, I'm baffled.

    And as of last night, we can all buy one.

    So what would prevent it is completely beyond me.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa
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    KennyR wrote:

    I don't think it's worth debating, as the chances of MorphOS running on X5000 are practically nil, so nobody's going to be buying that stuff and not using it.

    Just say a little bird told me.


    Hmm... If there is truth to that statement then the MorphOS Team should issue a statement quickly, so people like Jim aren't suckered into buying an X5000 or Cyrus board early which will not see a MorphOS release.
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    Zylesea
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    redrumloa schrieb:
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    KennyR wrote:

    I don't think it's worth debating, as the chances of MorphOS running on X5000 are practically nil, so nobody's going to be buying that stuff and not using it.

    Just say a little bird told me.


    Hmm... If there is truth to that statement then the MorphOS Team should issue a statement quickly, so people like Jim aren't suckered into buying an X5000 or Cyrus board early which will not see a MorphOS release.



    Old truth in MorphOS land: Don't buy dedicated hardware until MorphOS for it is actually released!


    [ Editiert durch Zylesea 10.10.2016 - 02:14 ]
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    > Hyperion ported OS4 to the Pegasos 2 in 2006 and then sat on it
    > for years until Genesi had stopped selling them

    Actually, Genesi stopped selling them in 2006.

    > people actually *saw* OS4 running on the Peg2 and had posted screenshots

    Any links?

    > Hyperion (or Amikit?)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmiKit ;-)

    > wanted Cyrus, back in the day, to be exclusive, and Trevor wanted everything on it.

    Why should AmigaKit have anything against MorphOS on the X5000/Cyrus? And why should the MorphOS team care about what Hyperion wants, especially when Trevor endorses MorphOS on his hardware?
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    Zylesea wrote:
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    redrumloa schrieb:
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    KennyR wrote:

    I don't think it's worth debating, as the chances of MorphOS running on X5000 are practically nil, so nobody's going to be buying that stuff and not using it.

    Just say a little bird told me.


    Hmm... If there is truth to that statement then the MorphOS Team should issue a statement quickly, so people like Jim aren't suckered into buying an X5000 or Cyrus board early which will not see a MorphOS release.



    Old truth in MorphOS land: Don't buy dedicated hardware until MorphOS for it is actually released!


    [ Editiert durch Zylesea 10.10.2016 - 02:14 ]


    I purchased the first system I ran MorphOS on, an QuickSilver PowerMac, months before support was introduced for it.
    I purchased my first G5 under similar conditions.
    MorphOS support for the X5000 has been announced.
    When have our developers EVER promised something they didn't deliver?
    "Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > *IF* full MorphOS support arrives

    Would this include multicore support?


    I'm not anticipating multicore support for MorphOS on PPC. That's an odd question, why do you bring it up? Are you suggesting the MorphOS Team is working on SMP for PPC?
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    redrumloa wrote:
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > *IF* full MorphOS support arrives

    Would this include multicore support?


    I'm not anticipating multicore support for MorphOS on PPC. That's an odd question, why do you bring it up? Are you suggesting the MorphOS Team is working on SMP for PPC?



    Its never been mentioned.
    The best we can probably hope for is something that uses high memory (above 2GB) or some kind of ASMP.
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    >>> *IF* full MorphOS support arrives

    >> Would this include multicore support?

    > That's an odd question, why do you bring it up?

    Because there are people who have been saying OS4 doesn't fully support the X1000/Nemo as long as the 2nd CPU core is unused.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    Because there are people who have been saying OS4 doesn't fully support the X1000/Nemo as long as the 2nd CPU core is unused.


    Well I wouldn't say that, except maybe to point out the false advertising my certain people connected with HYPErion. I'm firmly in the camp who believes the competent developers (AKA MorphOS team) who state this is impossible without breaking backwards compatibility.

    Speaking of Hermans, how many years has it been since he proclaimed in the forums it was not only possibly to implement SMP in OS4, but it wouldn't take a year? Has it been 6-7 years? I'm sure you have it bookmarked :-D
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  • Jim
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    I'm not sure they said it was impossible.
    Rather that it wouldn't work in the same box.
    But that does not preclude wrapping Abox with an even more powerful system.

    However...that isn't happening (and to the best of my knowledge what they are considering for OS4 won't be anywhere near that ambitious).
    What our developers are planning is stepping away from complete legacy compatibility (to a new ISA) in order to actually implement the things the other camp has been promising without the issues they will have to face.
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    > Speaking of Hermans, how many years has it been since he proclaimed
    > in the forums it was not only possibly to implement SMP in OS4, but
    > it wouldn't take a year? Has it been 6-7 years?

    It was 5 years ago that he said it wouldn't take 2 years.

    http://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7183&start=336

    > I'm sure you have it bookmarked :-D

    I don't, but it's easy to find again :-)
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > Speaking of Hermans, how many years has it been since he proclaimed
    > in the forums it was not only possibly to implement SMP in OS4, but
    > it wouldn't take a year? Has it been 6-7 years?

    It was 5 years ago that he said it wouldn't take 2 years.

    http://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7183&start=336

    > I'm sure you have it bookmarked :-D

    I don't, but it's easy to find again :-)


    Thanks!
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    KennyR wrote:
    as the chances of MorphOS running on X5000 are practically nil


    Yeah, you got me there. Honestly it's AmigaOS 4 with MorphOS skin I'm testing for over a year now :P
    MorphOS 3.x
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    pampers wrote:
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    KennyR wrote:
    as the chances of MorphOS running on X5000 are practically nil


    Yeah, you got me there. Honestly it's AmigaOS 4 with MorphOS skin I'm testing for over a year now :P




    Wiktor, this guy is going to take you seriously, you know that don't you? ;)
    I like tweaking crazy people as much as the next guy, but...
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