MorphOS on AmigaOne X5000?
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    amigadave wrote:
    With all the needless fighting and rude remarks toward both fellow members here, and outside persons, this place is getting more and more like Amiga.org and/or AmigaWorld.net every day.

    Very sad to see a site that was so above all that crap for so many years, being dragged down by a few people.

    Can the moderators here (do we have any?), please issue some warnings to members who are increasing their participation in such actions?


    Don't be passive aggressive, point out who offended you and why.
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    Well...then he can defend himself. ;)
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    An Amiga.org user is claiming the X5000 starts shipping in the coming weeks. Price is €2500, or 2783.75 US Dollar.


    I just chatted with some folks on the Youtube livestream and was told the X5000 was actually released today, but only 2 were available for sale at the show. Is it officially released?

    I had to drop off watching the livestream, it was terrible. There was a guy who demoed some text based game, and then tried demoing another game but it ended up being just one hard crash-reboot after another of his X5000. After about 15 minutes of this I couldn't take it anymore. Some OS4 fanboys were offended that i was simply there watching.

    Anyone here following Amiwest to know if any significant news was announced that would be of interest to a Commodore Amiga or MorphOS fan?

    [ Edited by redrumloa 08.10.2016 - 21:34 ]
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    I just chatted with some folks on the Youtube livestream and was told the X5000 was actually released today, but only 2 were available for sale at the show. Is it officially released?



    Looks like it is released per amiga-news.de.

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    AmigaOne X5000

    Dickinson officially announced the X5000 going on sale. Solie confirms that the Release Candidate of AmigaOS 4 for the X5000 is currently being tested and will be shipped with the computer. The onboard network controller is not supported yet, a replacement network interface card will be delivered with complete systems though. According to Solie, Multicore support has been deferred so the team could concentrate on finishing the X5000 port, but will be the focus once the X5000 version is shipping.

    The cheapest complete systems will ship for 1700 GBP, which would be about 1900 Euro (excluding taxes and postage). Dickinson states he brought two bare X5000 motherboards to the show, which can be bought by visitors for 1350 USD (about 1200 Euro).


    Can we get real benchmarks now from MorphOS 3.10 betatesters?

    [ Edited by redrumloa 08.10.2016 - 21:59 ]
  • »09.10.16 - 00:58
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    Hmm looks like there is a new US dealer for the X5000 and they are offering a First Encounter bundle for $1,593.50. I wonder if the bare board without that OS4 related bundle is available?
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    redrumloa wrote:
    Hmm looks like there is a new US dealer for the X5000 and they are offering a First Encounter bundle for $1,593.50. I wonder if the bare board without that OS4 related bundle is available?


    The price you quoted is for the bare board, the system price is $1,865.00.
    And if I wasn't feeling under the weather and I hadn't made some excuses to beg off a return phone call tonight, I probably could have made the first official US order.

    But I really think I'll wait for the four core variant as this will probably be my last PPC based system.

    [ Edited by Jim 09.10.2016 - 00:23 ]
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    The price you quoted is for the bare board


    Look again. It is a bundle with MB and software. OS4, Enhancer Pack, Personal Paint and Amiga Racer are all included. If ever a time came where I was interested in a Cyrus board, I wouldn't want a bundle with anything OS4 related that would collect dust on a shelf.
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    > Can we get real benchmarks now from MorphOS 3.10 betatesters?

    I'm sure pampers' offer from comment #226 still stands.
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    Jim wrote:
    The price you quoted is for the bare board


    Look again. It is a bundle with MB and software. OS4, Enhancer Pack, Personal Paint and Amiga Racer are all included. If ever a time came where I was interested in a Cyrus board, I wouldn't want a bundle with anything OS4 related that would collect dust on a shelf.


    That is not an issue for me.
    I'm not that fanatical, and Hyperion doesn't make that much out of that sale, the majority of the items being from other vendors.
    They are just trying to enhance the value of the package to the majority of buyers, a good business practice.

    AND, its not a system price, like I said, I could have purchased the system last night.
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    That is not an issue for me.
    I'm not that fanatical, and Hyperion doesn't make that much out of that sale, the majority of the items being from other vendors.
    They are just trying to enhance the value of the package to the majority of buyers, a good business practice


    What is fanatical about not wanting to pay for something you'd never use? We are talking about $1,600 for a MB and CPU that performs on the level of PC from about a 10 years ago. Anyone outside of our Kommunity would look at someone paying that price and would think that person should be Baker Act'ed. If I ever decided I wanted a Cyrus board for MorphOS, I'd want it a cheap as humanly possible and that would mean no software bundle that would collect dust. That $1,350 Amiwest price looks a lot better than this $1,600 price.

    [ Edited by redrumloa 09.10.2016 - 13:32 ]
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    That is not an issue for me.
    I'm not that fanatical, and Hyperion doesn't make that much out of that sale, the majority of the items being from other vendors.
    They are just trying to enhance the value of the package to the majority of buyers, a good business practice


    What is fanatical about not wanting to pay for something you'd never use? We are talking about $1,600 for a MB and CPU that performs on the level of PC from about a 10 years ago. Anyone outside of our Kommunity would look at someone paying that price and would think that person should be Baker Act'ed. If I ever decided I wanted a Cyrus board for MorphOS, I'd want it a cheap as humanly possible and that would mean no software bundle that would collect dust. That $1,350 Amiwest price looks a lot better than this $1,600 price.


    The comment about a law your state enacted purely so that prosecutors could gain access to private medical records is wholly unnecessary (for the matter, any reference to Florida's legal system is both irritating and irrelevant).
    And I doubt that package adds significant cost to an already costly purchase.

    Lets face it, your reasoning is more personal than it is economic.
    And that is more a reflection on mental state than is an analysis of the community at large.

    [ Edited by Jim 09.10.2016 - 13:38 ]
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    redrumloa wrote:
    What is fanatical about not wanting to pay for something you'd never use? We are talking about $1,600 for a MB and CPU that performs on the level of PC from about a 10 years ago. Anyone outside of our Kommunity would look at someone paying that price and would think that person should be Baker Act'ed. If I ever decided I wanted a Cyrus board for MorphOS, I'd want it a cheap as humanly possible and that would mean no software bundle that would collect dust. That $1,350 Amiwest price looks a lot better than this $1,600 price.


    It's not the price alone that matters, but also the level of support. The OS4 crowd have always been quick to point out the price of Apple and indeed Commodore hardware when challenged. While these were expensive, you would be sure in both cases you'd get a complete OS and enter a world where there was plenty of software to meet your needs, whether it be games or productivity or just freeware.

    What made the X1000 such a massive rip wasn't just the price, it was its unfinished support and the attitude that you should just suck it down for the greater good, i.e. TEH AMIGA. You could buy some cheap Android device and find out its Chinese ARM fork doesn't run the apps you want, or has a buggy Android install that can't be upgraded, or find out its hardware acceleration won't run Netflix. You lost £30. Not £3000. Or, in this case, £1400.

    Will OS4 support the X5000 properly? Doubtful. Will you get anything but an ancient, buggy PPC Linux on it? Not so likely. Would the MorphOS developers, assuming they support it at all, do more than lipservice to the handful of people who would run it on one? Fat chance. Will you get your browser to play YouTube videos? Not with *that* CPU.
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > Can we get real benchmarks now from MorphOS 3.10 betatesters?

    I'm sure pampers' offer from comment #226 still stands.


    I already did some. Looking for something else, just gimme a shout.
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    Jim wrote:

    The comment about a law your state enacted purely so that prosecutors could gain access to private medical records is wholly unnecessary (for the matter, any reference to Florida's legal system is both irritating and irrelevant).


    Actually I completely forgot that the Baker Act was a Florida specific law.


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    And I doubt that package adds significant cost to an already costly purchase.


    Amiwest price presumably without software package - $1,350.
    Dealer price with software package - $,1600.
    You do the math.

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    Lets face it, your reasoning is more personal than it is economic.
    And that is more a reflection on mental state than is an analysis of the community at large.


    Let's face it, you have no clue what my reasoning is. You getting so upset is more a reflection of whatever is going on in your head than mine. I really don't see what is so hard to understand about $1,350 being a more attractive price than $1,600. Maybe spending $250 on software you don't need is no problem for you, but I don't like wasting money as such.
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    KennyR wrote:
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    redrumloa wrote:
    What is fanatical about not wanting to pay for something you'd never use? We are talking about $1,600 for a MB and CPU that performs on the level of PC from about a 10 years ago. Anyone outside of our Kommunity would look at someone paying that price and would think that person should be Baker Act'ed. If I ever decided I wanted a Cyrus board for MorphOS, I'd want it a cheap as humanly possible and that would mean no software bundle that would collect dust. That $1,350 Amiwest price looks a lot better than this $1,600 price.


    It's not the price alone that matters, but also the level of support. The OS4 crowd have always been quick to point out the price of Apple and indeed Commodore hardware when challenged. While these were expensive, you would be sure in both cases you'd get a complete OS and enter a world where there was plenty of software to meet your needs, whether it be games or productivity or just freeware.

    What made the X1000 such a massive rip wasn't just the price, it was its unfinished support and the attitude that you should just suck it down for the greater good, i.e. TEH AMIGA. You could buy some cheap Android device and find out its Chinese ARM fork doesn't run the apps you want, or has a buggy Android install that can't be upgraded, or find out its hardware acceleration won't run Netflix. You lost £30. Not £3000. Or, in this case, £1400.

    Will OS4 support the X5000 properly? Doubtful. Will you get anything but an ancient, buggy PPC Linux on it? Not so likely. Would the MorphOS developers, assuming they support it at all, do more than lipservice to the handful of people who would run it on one? Fat chance. Will you get your browser to play YouTube videos? Not with *that* CPU.


    I've been spoofing other browsers to play youtube videos for years now, without a problem.
    Your "not with *that* cpu" comment is simply wrong.
    And as far as "massive rip", you don't have to pay for an A-eon system, they don't seem to be having a problem selling them.
    Further, the Linux support seems better than what I am getting from the Linux community for my G5 Powermac.

    I have ARM devices, they have, do, and will really suck.
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    @redrumloa

    Personally I'd like it completely free, but it ain't happening.

    My vitriol about the Florida legal system?
    Just that your political leaders totally suck.

    And the price @ AmiWest?
    Show special, with only two in stock, direct from the manufacturer.
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    Prices from Amigakit's US site

    Backplate $11.23

    Enhancer Plus Edition $67.49

    Peronal Paint $16.75

    And from Amitec's site.

    Amiga Racer €20 = $22.40 at current exchange rate.
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    redrumloa wrote:
    Let's face it, you have no clue what my reasoning is. You getting so upset is more a reflection of whatever is going on in your head than mine. I really don't see what is so hard to understand about $1,350 being a more attractive price than $1,600. Maybe spending $250 on software you don't need is no problem for you, but I don't like wasting money as such.



    I don't think it's worth debating, as the chances of MorphOS running on X5000 are practically nil, so nobody's going to be buying that stuff and not using it.

    Just say a little bird told me.
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    KennyR wrote:
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    redrumloa wrote:
    Let's face it, you have no clue what my reasoning is. You getting so upset is more a reflection of whatever is going on in your head than mine. I really don't see what is so hard to understand about $1,350 being a more attractive price than $1,600. Maybe spending $250 on software you don't need is no problem for you, but I don't like wasting money as such.



    I don't think it's worth debating, as the chances of MorphOS running on X5000 are practically nil, so nobody's going to be buying that stuff and not using it.

    Just say a little bird told me.


    My you must be hallucinating that birdie, since its already been shown, several developers have copies as does at least one beta tester.

    [ Edited by Jim 09.10.2016 - 16:18 ]
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    Jim wrote:
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    KennyR wrote:
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    redrumloa wrote:
    Let's face it, you have no clue what my reasoning is. You getting so upset is more a reflection of whatever is going on in your head than mine. I really don't see what is so hard to understand about $1,350 being a more attractive price than $1,600. Maybe spending $250 on software you don't need is no problem for you, but I don't like wasting money as such.



    I don't think it's worth debating, as the chances of MorphOS running on X5000 are practically nil, so nobody's going to be buying that stuff and not using it.

    Just say a little bird told me.


    My you must be hallucinating that birdie, since its already been shown, several developers have copies as does at least one beta tester.


    Don't say I didn't warn you.
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    KennyR wrote:
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    Jim wrote:
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    KennyR wrote:
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    redrumloa wrote:
    Let's face it, you have no clue what my reasoning is. You getting so upset is more a reflection of whatever is going on in your head than mine. I really don't see what is so hard to understand about $1,350 being a more attractive price than $1,600. Maybe spending $250 on software you don't need is no problem for you, but I don't like wasting money as such.



    I don't think it's worth debating, as the chances of MorphOS running on X5000 are practically nil, so nobody's going to be buying that stuff and not using it.

    Just say a little bird told me.


    My you must be hallucinating that birdie, since its already been shown, several developers have copies as does at least one beta tester.


    Don't say I didn't warn you.


    Right...
    Because I should listen to you instead of the few developers I know or the friend that I have that's using an X5000 under MorphOS right now, sure...

    OK Red, you're right, Amigans ARE a bunch of head cases.
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    Right...
    Because I should listen to you instead of the few developers I know or the friend that I have that's using an X5000 under MorphOS right now, sure...

    OK Red, you're right, Amigans ARE a bunch of head cases.


    Fortunately not as much as a bunch of head cases as Amiga vendors - especially A-Eonkit.

    Do you really think they'd risk MorphOS becoming more popular on their flagship "OS4 boards"? I'm told by at least one very good source in the OS4 camp that they have absolutely no intention of allowing that. Cheep cheep.

    But keep believing, if it helps you get through the day.
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    KennyR wrote:
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    Jim wrote:
    Right...
    Because I should listen to you instead of the few developers I know or the friend that I have that's using an X5000 under MorphOS right now, sure...

    OK Red, you're right, Amigans ARE a bunch of head cases.


    Fortunately not as much as a bunch of head cases as Amiga vendors - especially A-Eonkit.

    Do you really think they'd risk MorphOS becoming more popular on their flagship "OS4 boards"? I'm told by at least one very good source in the OS4 camp that they have absolutely no intention of allowing that. Cheep cheep.

    But keep believing, if it helps you get through the day.


    I don't know who has been filling you in on their opinion about this, but Trevor supports the idea of MorphOS running on the X5000.
    And besides, why would we give a rat's ass what the OS4 community wants?
    Its not like they can stop third party software from running on the hardware.

    And if A-eonkit didn't want our developers working with Aeon's hardware, why would they have helped them to source it?
    We aren't warring factions you know, its just a hobbyist platform, not a religion.
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    My vitriol about the Florida legal system?
    Just that your political leaders totally suck.


    Baker Act is an old law from 1971 that is rarely invoked. The term is used down here in a sarcastic manner the same as calling something "crazy" or "insane", not typically used in a clinically medical sense. My mistake was forgetting it was a regional term that wouldn't necessarily be widely known. I guess that's why you took it as a negative shot, when it was meant more as humor.

    I don't care what people do with their money, even if I don't necessarily understand it myself. I have no problem spending $300 on something like a Turbo Chameleon for my C64, or $50+ for a new boxed game for my C64 when i can afford it. People outside the C64 community might call that lunacy for spending such money on a 34 year old computer.

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    And the price @ AmiWest?
    Show special, with only two in stock, direct from the manufacturer.


    Right, but it is the only example we've seen yet for a Cyrus board apparently without any sort of bundle. Unless we get other examples, this is what we have to go on.

    The "OS4 Tax" concern is not new, it has been part of the discussion since MorphOS was announced for the Cyrus. I'm sure I'm not the only one who hasn't completely shut the door on the concept of buying one to replace my G5. *IF* full MorphOS support arrives and *IF* it is proven to be significantly faster than my 2.7Ghz G5, I leave open the slight possibility I might be tempted to buy one. I would not be willing to pay an OS4 Tax though.
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