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I don't know about the EU, but here in the US insulting someone is not illegal. I don't know if I'd call Hermans psychotic, but I would call him a crook IMO.

[ Edited by redrumloa 21.09.2016 - 21:24 ]

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You are misinformed, not only is it NOT legal, its actionable.
An insult, is just that, its not an unqualified statement about another's mental state.
That is slander.

Better yet, you use the term "crook", short for crooked if I'm not mistaken, or in other word someone who engages in illegal activities.
So, exactly what do you think he did that violated the law?
We aren't talking ethics here, we're talking actual wrong doing.

This kind of crap makes US look bad, its muckraking.

Stop letting your sentiments overwhelm your reasoning.

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Just a thought...

There's a certain rumor about how Hyperion actually has 110% of itself split into shares... Even the fact that Alan Redhouse still unknowingly owns shares. ;)

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Come on man, exercising your Second Amendment rights is not slander. If using the term "crook" is slander, why hasn't Hillary Clinton sued Donald Trump and about 50% of the country for calling her "crooked Hillary".

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False advertising? Being a willing participant in Amiga Inc's hide the assets shell game?

[ Edited by redrumloa 22.09.2016 - 01:10 ]

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How is Hyperion responsible for Bill McEwen's corporate maneuvering?

And yes, the Second Amendment does not protect slander.
Politicians don't sue, but try and pull that BS on someone wealthy that hasn't committed a documented crime and see what it gets you.
Heck, you can't even mention Henry Ford's support for fascists before WWII without the Ford Corporation breathing down your neck, and he's DEAD.

And btw, Donald Trump is a self promoting windbag full of bad ideas, promoting racist concepts, with no idea how to run a country.
After all, we CAN'T go bankrupt.
Why would I want a man running our country that I wouldn't trust with my investments?

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Slander is spoken, libel is written. ;)

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Frivolous lawsuits happen all the time, but such a lawsuit would be thrown out and the plaintiff should expect an Anti-SLAPP counter-suit they would promptly lose.


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So much wrong. Donald Trump is a windbag, at least you got that part right but nothing else. I don't want to go deep into politics on Morphzone, if you want to do that come to Whyzzat

So let me get this straight. Donald Trump is the racist, and Hillary Clinton is not?

Also, can't bankrupt a country? Really? Tell that to Greece, tell that to Zimbabwe.

> Trevor took no risks on it at all. He didn't take the risk of underselling and so made
> no savings on economy of scale. They were made in the most expensive way possible,
> practically to order. [...] He [...] didn't put anything else of himself into the project.
> He was careful to avoid all risks to himself and confine them to the purchaser alone

How does this fit Trevor's claim that he ate the NRE costs ("over US$400,000", see comment #404) for the X1000 himself without passing them on to the customer?
And how does this fit Trevor's claim that he and AmigaKit jointly subsidised the CPU price increase of 475 USD per board and did not pass these on to the customer (see comment #54)?

> Trevor paid a lot of money up front to Varisys to design the X1000.
> Money that didn't even start to come back for a really long time.

It hasn't so far if we are to believe Trevor, and it's not even supposed to.

> he ate the increase in cpu costs.

...jointly with AmigaKit, according to him.

> Hyperion's subcontractors, the Friedens, would now appear to own some parts of OS4.

ExecSG has been the Frieden's property starting with the first line of code in 2001 as was tested in court in declaratory action.

> There's a certain rumor about how Hyperion actually has 110% of itself split into shares...
> Even the fact that Alan Redhouse still unknowingly owns shares. ;)

Do you have any more info on these rumours?

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This is the internet. You must be new here. Have a seat.

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For what I said: being incompetent, arrogant, abusive, or an arse - none of these are crimes, therefore it is not slanderous or libelous in any way that could be legally actionable. Could be defamatory, but if you're going to accuse me of being defamatory to BEN HERMANS I'm going to laugh you all the way off the planet and into a galaxy with no other name but Irony. Just with the power of laughter. Besides, Ben really doesn't want to open up another legal suit - he hasn't had a good history in that regard so far...

For what Redrumloa said: crookedness or criminality has, at least, never been one of Herman's issues. Just everything else.

Why are you so butthurt about this anyway? None of this is disputed - Hyperion's OS4 product was not successful, Hyperion went into debt after a settlement that appeared to favour them but actually cost them more than they could afford, OS4 isn't developed any more, nobody can afford the AmigaOS rights. You wanted to know why OS4 development was so, uhm, slow. We all know why.

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I don't think I said 'criminal'. As for "crookedness", I guess that depends on your definition of crook. At the very least false advertising is illegal here in the US. I really doubt anyone knowing the history would debate that HYPErion routinely engaged in false advertising.

[ Edited by redrumloa 22.09.2016 - 15:36 ]

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In Ben's case however, sheer stupidity is difficult to dismiss before we can consider fraudulence. Remember, this is the guy who said OS4 would be ported in six months, that WarpOS and AmigaOS would be integrated, and switching CPUs was a case of changing flags and recompiling. He said a lot more stupid crap too, which I won't weary you with.

Hence incompetence. Bad enough on its own but when combined with extreme arrogance...and you have Ben.

Nick, you are splitting hairs, but you are correct.

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At KennyR, incompetence I would definitely agree with.
But then read my signature.

[ Edited by Jim 22.09.2016 - 17:00 ]

An Amiga.org user is claiming the X5000 starts shipping in the coming weeks. Price is €2500, or 2783.75 US Dollar.

Yep, some of the users which registered their interest via email on the A-EON homepage now got emails from distributors to state which model they are interested in.

> An Amiga.org user is claiming [...]

To be precise, he is claiming that amiga-news.de is claiming this, who in turn are claiming that an a1k.org user is claiming this, who in turn is claiming that German AmigaOne X5000 distributor Alinea is claiming this ;-)

http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2016-10-00008-EN.html (English without links)
http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/AN-2016-10-00008-DE.html (German with links)

> Price is €2500

As per your link, system price is between 2300 and 2500 EUR (depending on components) and board price is 1700 EUR.


Edit: A-Eon press release

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That is quite a bit more then I anticipated.
Luckily the exchange rate has been fairly good.

@Jim

i wouldn't take those prices as posted as being official.

-- eliyahu

With all the needless fighting and rude remarks toward both fellow members here, and outside persons, this place is getting more and more like Amiga.org and/or AmigaWorld.net every day.

Very sad to see a site that was so above all that crap for so many years, being dragged down by a few people.

Can the moderators here (do we have any?), please issue some warnings to members who are increasing their participation in such actions?

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It takes something fairly big to get the mods here to do that David (I know, sometimes you really have to push).
I'm not sure that this stuff is all that bad. The negative crap about A-eon and T. Dickenson is annoying, but its just misinformation.
And its hard to defend Ben Hermans.

Lately I've found myself defending the general OS4 development community, which even I myself find a little strange.

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All I see (atleast on the last page of this thread) is speculation about lacking information.
Is Trevor the shinning angel wasting his fortune just to "save" Amiga?
Or his just wanting to be seen as a hero while pushing the riscs down to the users (in the form of inflated prices)?
Dunno, both kinda align with what little we know for sure.

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Correction being a belgian legal clerk/lawyer is the only way to defend Ben Hermans.

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Don't be passive aggressive, point out who offended you and why.

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Well...then he can defend himself. ;)

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I just chatted with some folks on the Youtube livestream and was told the X5000 was actually released today, but only 2 were available for sale at the show. Is it officially released?

I had to drop off watching the livestream, it was terrible. There was a guy who demoed some text based game, and then tried demoing another game but it ended up being just one hard crash-reboot after another of his X5000. After about 15 minutes of this I couldn't take it anymore. Some OS4 fanboys were offended that i was simply there watching.

Anyone here following Amiwest to know if any significant news was announced that would be of interest to a Commodore Amiga or MorphOS fan?

[ Edited by redrumloa 08.10.2016 - 21:34 ]