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The Pegasos II version of OS4 was announced at the end of January 2009. The ITX Sam440ep was available at the time, with the FlexATX version coming about 5 months later.

Hi Thierry. ;)

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Did the Peg2 version come out before the SAM460 version?
I wasn't paying attention.

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AmigaOS 4.1 for Pegasos II - January 31, 2009

near final OEM version of AmigaOS 4.1 for the SAM 440ep - September 17, 2008

AmigaOS 4.1 Beta for Sam440ep available - October 17, 2008

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Funny how I don't remember the Sam440ep being available when the news dropped for OS4 on the Peg2. It was obviously out already based on the news links you provided, but maybe just not on the shelf (so to speak)?

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Being that this was all about "risk" given the concurrent lawsuit with Amiga Inc., things actually released during this time were done in order of least risk to greatest risk.

AmigaOS 4.0 for Classic Amiga - November 29, 2007

You might recall the switch in focus to "classic" suddenly during this period.

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That I do, now that you mention it.

Hardware is nothing. Software is everything.

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That should probably be prefaced by "once everything is powerful enough..."

But I'd have to agree with you here.

Since even very modest hardware is powerful enough, the days when hardware controlled the development of software are essentially over.

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The Sam440ep itself was available a full year ahead of OS4.1 being made available for it.

Launch of the end-user version of Sam440ep - 19 Sep 2007

Availability of Sam440ep - 05 Oct 2007

Hope we can stay as far away as possible from custom hardware. Getting ppc macs commodity supported hardware out on the door, was one of the best thing it has happened on the platform and one of the wisest decisions, imho.

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Agreed, commodity hardware = dirt cheap powermacs. Custom hardware = lame solutions like Tabor.

Like I said...I just wanted to get it out of my system :D I am glad I am right in thinking the majority or in fact all disagree with my idea :D However, it is out of my system.

> The Sam440ep itself was available a full year ahead of OS4.1 being made available for it.

Indeed. Yet, a certain place likes to rewrite history:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7001&start=906

> Custom hardware = lame solutions like Tabor.

Isn't the X5000 also custom hardware?

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Yes it is, and I'd like to buy an X5000/40 for myself.
But its not as lame as Tabor. Just overpriced for the performance it provides.
Raptor's hints about an MATX Power9 system make more sense from a price/performance standpoint.

However, I reserve the right to make impractical decisions about what I do with my own money.

What anyone else does is their business, not mine.

Again, it's a hobby, it doesn't have make sound economic sense.

Although, from an economic viewpoint, the additional funds represented by purchasing an X5000 vs a Tabor board seems justifiable to me as I would never be satisfied with the performance of a P1022 based system, AND I already own an FW800 PowerMac with a registered copy of MorphOS.

Practicality played an issue with the compromises made in the design of Tabor (and IMHO, less so with the X5000), and look at the results.

Also, I advocated the development of a P5020/5040 based system.
My friends have put a lot of hours into supporting it.

I don't feel it would be right not to back away from that and not purchase it.
In fact, even if PowerMac 11,2 support is introduced for MorphOS (I already own one), I'll still buy an X5000/40.

Further, I think it will make a nice collector's item.

Next, I'd like to point out again that I do not advocate Tabor.

And, unless a Power9 system or the T2080 laptop is adopted, the X5000 will probably be our last system that can be purchased new with the intent of running MorphOS.

This thread has made me pause to consider my rationale in supporting specific platforms.

Tabor still makes no sense to me.

The T2080 laptop and Talos boards make more sense as the primary market is composed of Linux enthusiasts, greatly increasing the potential size of the user base.

And development of the X5000 started before e6500 cored cpus or lower cost e5500 cpus were introduced.

There has been a learning curve here in seeing how long it has taken to develop and introduce this custom hardware.

One thing is certain, while I would like to see continued development of MorphOS, the operating system that has been proposed for the AMD64 ISA is a very sound idea.

As with the adoption of Apple PPC hardware, the long term plans of our developers seems quite well thought out.



[ Edited by Jim 10.09.2018 - 00:52 ]

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Hmm... Pegasos I and II haven't achieved a "nice collector's item" status so far.

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Peg2 systems well for more $$ than X5000 systems second hand.

>>> I think it will make a nice collector's item.

>> Pegasos I and II haven't achieved a "nice collector's item" status so far.

> Peg2 systems well for more $$ than X5000 systems second hand.

Must have been a very cheap second hand X5000 system :-)

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Yeah the .last one sold for $1,100 (USD)

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Nice buy.
I have had people ask me almost that much for a SAM460 system.
Still, the "last one" sold on eBay doesn't dictate the market price, since there was only one for sale.
That logic only applies to the market price of housing in a specific area, and then only loosely.

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I'm sure the buyer was happy, if he's an OS4 user. The market price seems to be in a downward trajectory, if such a small sample size can be viewed as such. A few weeks prior a NOS Cyrus motherboard with RAM sold for $1,250 (USD) with free shipping. That's more than the later whole system, but still a significant discount from A-Eonkit directly.

We'll see if more get listed in the coming weeks and if the downward trajectory continues.

Personally I don't hate the Cyrus board, just that as a MorphOS user I find it completely redundant and excessively expensive. Maybe if I can get just the MB used for ~$400 one day I might consider it for MorphOS. Maybe not even then, but using a standard case and PCIe could be cool. I would still be taking a step down from my G5 when it comes to brute CPU force.

I know you are on the fence about getting one yourself, and I don't blame you. If a MorphOS user wants one and has the discretionary cash, more power to them.

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Well, it not really fence sitting, I've committed to buying one, but as I want the model that will work best under Linux I'm willing to wait for the X5000/40.

According to Frank and Mark, this Soc (the P5040) breaks the USB driver so that's an issue that will have to be resolved.

And right now, since we don't have 3D drivers for anything above the R500s, our current AGP G5s are adequate.

I have an HD 4770 stashed for when the R700s get 3D support.
I like that card.

Just one external power connector, more powerful than the 4670, with less power draw than the 48XX.

>>> Peg2 systems well for more $$ than X5000 systems second hand.

>> Must have been a very cheap second hand X5000 system :-)

> Yeah the .last one sold for $1,100 (USD)

Pegasos II systems usually go for half that.

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Link? I've not payed close attention, but last one I remember seeing sold went for more than that.