Hi... i have a macmini 1,42ghz using the original hd (a seagate dont remember the model). Anyone feels this drive slow?

I feel some pauses loading applications, for example, macmini in idle without another application loaded, OWB (for example) load fast but sometimes isnt fast enought.

All of this pauses can be caused by this seagate drive? I think is a 5200 rpm one, anyone have a 7200 rpm drive on thie macmini model and feel differences?

Thanks.

Hi Kickstart,
I new to Morph but I'm trying hard to get up to speed.
How about identifing the hard drive exactly.
! Open System: Open Tools; Open HDconfig
There should be an Icon of a hard drive...It will be Manu and model..
Google it and see if its slow? There are other reasons.
Search on the site ..https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6724&forum=3#68623 Good luck

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[ Edited by osco on 2009/12/21 21:21 ]

> I think is a 5200 rpm one

Rather 4200 RPM.

> anyone have a 7200 rpm drive on thie
> macmini model and feel differences?

Sorry, only 5400 RPM here. Feels fast.

@osco

Thanks, but know the model is not a problem, i just want to know if a hd change make a difference.

@andreas_wolf

4200 rpm???? what a shame, my macmini is of the first ones, 256mb and hd of 4200 rpm for about 600eur, apple thinking different.

If anyone using a fast one please tell it.

Thanks again and merry xmas to all!

I use a 64 gb SSD here, i must say it flies... but i guess you'd have something quite similar with a 7200rpm hd. Yes it does make a difference.


[ Edited by SoundSquare on 2009/12/22 7:29 ]

On my 1.42 with standard hd it's faster than the Peg2 with a WD blue caviar full size hard drive, it's really the fastest OS I've ever used, well except the 1.5 version of the Macmini of course...



How hard is to change the hard drive on a mini anyway?

[ Edited by stephen_robinson on 2009/12/22 8:51 ]

quite easy, once you removed the case just a few screws, and some patience.

check this out : http://www.sterpin.net/uk/ddMacMiniuk.htm

> How hard is to change the hard drive on a mini anyway?

There are some links on pages 7/8 of that thread:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=6237

(You wrote on pages 6 and 11 ;-)

@ Soundsquare

Ok, I found internal SSD disks here, which would be certainly very good but only SATA-150 or SATA-300. How did you connect your disk, an adaptor?

This seems also to be a problem, as fast hd's in 2.5 ", with at least 7200 rpm, are very hard to find if at all. Here in Switzerland I could only find hd's up to 5400 rpm max. ATA-100. IMO this is why the feeling when working on an MacMini seems to be slower than on the Pegasos2.

I don't know which HDD you have in your Pegasos 2, but the WD Scorpio Blue drives certainly don't feel slow in my minis, they're noticeably faster than the drives supplied by Apple. The only 7200 rpm 2.5" drives you will find are older models where the lower data density will also influence performance.

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nope, my SSD is a 2,5 PATA one. I connected it directly to the ide port.

I own this one exactly : LINK

i found it on ebay too, but the HK seller made a price mistake and i could get it for 99euros (64gb). When he realized the mistake, he changed the price, but too late for me : )

[ Edited by SoundSquare on 2009/12/22 16:33 ]

4200rpm was the standart at that time. 5400rpm was quite expensive.
of course nowdays 2,5 HDD are cheap. and of course if you'll put a 5400RPM or 7200ROM with more cache it will run faster. now don't blame Apple, because yes morphos is fast to boot and the destop is reactive, but try to browse on 2 myspace website for example and it is slow as hell...try the same with Safari on Tiger, or leapard, it will run faster. even if the is the same engine (webkit).
So if you want to accelerate your mac, yes put another HDD if you have a 4200RPM you'll feel the difference.

SoundSquare, can you benchmark your SSD with xbench, so I can compare with my transcend ?
Thanks

Im not blaming apple for assembly overpriced computers, 4200 rpm are slow on osx too, im not talking about browsing, 5400 or 7200 rpm was expensive ok but macmini hardisk access time or cache are not so good for this times (and for the macmini original price) some people think apple is wonderland, i dont understand it.

Well... reading at a.org on a piru?s thread about his macmini with oc, new optic drive and 5200 rpm hard disk, interesting.

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no sorry, i don't have OSX installed on this macmini, only morphos, i'm not interested in OSX. But if you know some ways to benchmark it under in MorphOS i'll do that.

> reading at a.org on a piru?s thread about his macmini with oc, new
> optic drive and 5200 rpm hard disk

Again, it's 4200 RPM.

i plan to overclock this mini by mid january with some help from a specialist. My 1,5 mini should be able to reach 1,8ghz or so. The optical drive change is planned too. I'll post about that when it's done.

I want to use a SATA-SSD disc with adapter in my mini, do anyone know if that will fit?
Some of the SATA-SSD disc is extremely fast if you compare to PATA-SSD, one SATA-SSD has a read speed of 250MB/s in best case scenario, yes i know the 100MB/s limit in the mini's IDE interface, but 100MB/s is ok for me:)

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Yes you are right its a 4200 rpm on all ppc minis but im talking about the hard disk change on piru?s macmini from 4200 to 5200 rpm.

> its a 4200 rpm on all ppc minis

No, Silent Upgrade ones have 5400 RPM HDD.

> but im talking about the hard disk change on piru?s macmini from 4200 to 5200 rpm.

No, it's 4200 to 5400 RPM.

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Why? Due to the hard disk speed? MorphOS doesn't swap memory with hard disk, its speed isn't related to the hard disk's performance.

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Another thing that puzzles me... Can it be that OSX has accelerated functions that benefit WebKit, that MorphOS hasn't?

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Hardware accelerated cairo?

In OSX sure it feels sometimes that the disk is slow, but in Morphos i haven't noticed any slowdown i accessing data, it really flies!. Putting a faster hd will increase even more the responsiveness. Are still availbla first hand hd 2,5 ide drives?. Maybe i will do in the future an upgrade to the hd, but for getting more space, not that i need more hd responsiveness in Morphos, it's already perfect.

@Kickstart & co

When you are talking about OSX you should specify which version...because it's like if you are talking about Windows...Windows 95 ? 2000 ? XP ? Vista ?? I can remember my first Mac Mini 1,25GHZ with OSX 10.3 "Panther" wasn't so slow for the time ...
So of course if you are runing Leopard with a 4200RPM it's is slower...but believe me OSX 10.3 is more advanced and outrun Morphos on a macmini -I repeat on a mac mini- in all domains (even with euae emulation).

There is another option (if a SSD is too expensive) it's to put a IDE>Compact Flash converter with the compact flash size of your choice...

about overclocking: I have overclocked 2 macmini.
1st/ it's really difficult because resistors are very small

My 1,25ghz was stable @ 1,5ghz and was a success.

The easier to overclock is the 1,33 ghz because you don't have to remove the CPU to access the R52 resistor.

I tried to overclock my 1,33ghz (the one I actually use) to 1,8ghz and was unstable (artefact with the video card). then I tried to 1,6 ghz, it was unstable (system crash), and believe me I am lucky to have returned the macmini to the original speed. lucky because I haven't damaged the tracks. so of course there are some success story @1,8ghz but not to much...

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Including h.264 playback?

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Yea, try video for fun. OSX wastes a lot of time in blitting the frames, unlike MorphOS.

And also, why is EUAE even faster on a Pegasos2/MorphOS than on Mac mini/OSX then? Answer: OSX gfx system is slow. So slow it actually helped to use opengl in EUAE instead of the standard drawing API, but it's still too slow.

[ Edited by Fab on 2009/12/23 23:52 ]