can you offer your opinions on power mac g5 vs x1000/x5000?
which is faster?
thanks

I have no experience with the X1000 or X5000.

I would imagine the G5's would be faster since they support altivec and they run at a higher clock. A 2.7GHz Mac plays HD media very smooth, not sure how that translates to the X series...

When the new drivers are released the X series will be a great test platform to compare against the G5's.

[ Edited by matt3 16.05.2023 - 12:02 ]

so x1000 not supported yet?
or are we talking a driver improvement?

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I was referring to the new video card drivers that bigfoot is working on.

That has been the only remaining issue with X5000/1000 users that the video cards aren't compatible with linux/AOS/MOS.

With the new driver support they won't need to swap cards anymore I guess.

It will also provide a level playing field where a Mac 11,2 PCIe can have the identical modern card as what is in the X series system. Although I would guess a lower level card that is currently supported by boxes is available now for testing.

There may even have been a thread on this site comparing the two. I'm sure Andreas will know of it :).

i see where x5000 is supported and there is install instructions.
however, i cannot buy an x5000 at this time

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The AEon X1000 platform is neither supported by MorphOS yet, nor are there any plans to ever support it in the future.

i dont know how you quted me wrong but if you look at what i asked i asked about the x5000, not the x1000

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He quoted you accurately. Please see the number 3 post in this discussion thread...

Well he quoted what you wrote, so your saying what your wrote was wrong? I agree ;)


But to the question:

Back in the day when the X1000 was new it could barely hold up against a similar clocked G4 in most benchmark. Even those really old ones with SDRAM like a QuickSilver PowerMac.

In theory the X systems should be faster due to better RAM standards but the X1000 completely fails to utilize that speed and neither is the X5000 which also lacks Altivec crippling it many intensive task.

G5 isn't much faster then G4 clock by clock but it goes higher and can utilize it's faster RAM so yeah in terms of compute anything G5 is still king.
X systems should consumer less energy but with the insane cost of entry that will never word out financially even with current prices.

If you want the top in GPU X and PCIe PMAC_G5s are on the same level.

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Having access to Power Mac G5 QUAD 2,5 GHz vs AmigaOne X5000/040 benchmarks (using similar graphic cards and the same MorphOS version) I can say the G5 is faster in most cases but it does consume significantly (up to 3 times) more power.

thanks
if i bought another G5 (gave mine away) i would strip it down to make it lightweight.
but this all answers the question.
G5 still wins
aros went smp
any hope for mos or aos going smp?


[ Edited by bash64 16.05.2023 - 13:26 ]

i like to know if x5000 become more faster with os4
i heard that os4 use two processor
a graphics card more recent (quake 4 for example)
morphos
only 1 processor
old graphic card (Doom 3 )

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If you want the best G5 possible you have 2 options:
1. Pick up a single processor 11,2 (2.0 or 2.3 GHz), then put in a 2.5 DC processor. Since MorphOS only uses one core/processor you will save a lot of heat and juice with doing that.
2. Pick up a Dual processor 2.7GHz PCIx system. It has the most cpu power for MorphOS.

These are the top pics if you want to get the best. Each system will have benefits over the other.

> When the new drivers are released the X series will be a great
> test platform to compare against the G5's.

Comparing MorphOS on G5 against MorphOS on X5000, both with identical graphics card, has always been possible and doesn't require new graphics drivers.

> That has been the only remaining issue with X5000/1000 users that
> the video cards aren't compatible with linux/AOS/MOS. With the new
> driver support they won't need to swap cards anymore I guess.

No. The planned 3D drivers won't go higher than the already 2D-supported TeraScale 2 generation, which is still older than what OS4 supports as oldest generation (GCN1) in terms of PCIe GPUs. Besides, card swapping has not been necessary since MorphOS 3.17, which incorporated a bug fix to allow MorphOS running with two Radeon cards installed in X5000.

> I would guess a lower level card that is currently supported
> by boxes is available now for testing.

Yes, the comparison has been possible for as long as MorphOS has supported the X5000.

> in terms of compute anything G5 is still king.

Just to add that in pure integer performance, e5500/X5000 trumps equally clocked PPC970/G5.

> If you want the top in GPU X and PCIe PMAC_G5s are on the same level.

It's PCIe v2 vs. v1 but I'm not sure about the real-world impact on MorphOS.

> any hope for mos or aos going smp?

Regarding OS4, latest info from AmiWest 2022:

"a version of the kernel with multi-core support already exists. The operating system always runs on the first core, while other tasks are currently randomly assigned to one of the available cores - in later versions, a scheduler will of course always select the currently least utilized core. However, the multi-core variant of the kernel is still very prone to crashing and is difficult to debug. A demonstration of the multi-core kernel can be seen at A-EON's AmiWest booth, but Solie describes it as "not very exciting because it keeps crashing"."
http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2022-10-00104-EN.html

> i heard that os4 use two processor

It doesn't.

> a graphics card more recent (quake 4 for example)
> morphos
> only 1 processor
> old graphic card (Doom 3 )

Considering that Doom 3 is from 2004 and Quake 4 is from 2005, and the latter uses just a slightly enhanced version of the former's engine, I'm not sure those examples really convey what you intended ;-)

ok, so morph can use the 2nd cpu.
so if i still had my old g5 2.3ghz it would utilize both cpus?
how long has this been available?
i remember getting my g5 the moment they were supported


[ Edited by bash64 16.05.2023 - 20:07 ]

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No, it can not.
As for the "multicore" support - what Andreas wrote is about OS4 (info from AmiWest 2022).

ok, its for os4 and the x5000, if they ever start producing them again

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My experience:

G5 ID 11,2: supported Linux + MorphOS ( partial official support, in real all important works )
- CPU with SIMD (AltiVec), 2 - 4 cores, 2.0-2.5 GHz, 1.9 MIPS/MHz/core
- RAM max 16 GB DDR2
- 4x PCIe v1.0: x16, x4, x8, x4
- 2x Sata 150, 1x ATA 100 for DVD
- this Mac is very fast, very power hungry and often picky with PCIe cards. Installation of linux is much more difficult there ( not base system, but proper booting )

AmigaOne X1000: supported Linux + AmigaOS
- CPU with SIMD (AltiVec), 2 cores, 1.8 GHz, 2.2 MIPS/MHz/core
- RAM max 16 GB DDR2
- 5x PCIe v1.0: x16, (or x8 +x8 ), x1, x1, x1
- 2x PCI
- 4x Sata 300, 1x ATA 133
- X1000 is fast, but slower than G5. Has much lower power consumption. My X1000 has problems with compatibility of RAMs. I can place only one stick per channel, i.e. my RAM capacity is halved. Even if CFE firmware has many flaws, is much more variable and friendly than Mac OF.

I have no experience:
AmigaOne X5000: supported Linux + AmigaOS + MorphOS
- CPU no SIMD, 2-4 cores, 2.0 - 2.2 GHz, 3.0 MIPS/MHz/core
- RAM max 64 GB DDR3
- 5x PCIe v2.0: x4, x4*, x1*, x1*, x1*
*) total 4 lanes shared via PCIe switch
- 2x PCI
- 2x Sata 300
- According to specs, she is probably very fast in non-SIMD tasks and you can use three OSes. Only PCIe switch causes some latency on bus.

In 2020 I made some performance comparison here.
This comparison is obsolete now, we have many new drivers. And also have in mind, that MorphOS is in most cases more effective than AmigaOS, and it is reflected in the benchmarks.

My general opinion is that Powermac G5 2.5 GHz is faster than needed for MorpOS, iMac G5 is not good and X1000 is fine (but not for MorphOS, of course).


[ Edited by sailor 17.05.2023 - 12:06 ]

powermac g5 is better yes than x5000
but perhaps morphos come to amd processor and they stop ppc
so morphos become more faster then

> ok, its for os4 and the x5000, if they ever start producing them again

Not just X5000. This is how the quote continues:

"work is currently being done on porting the multi-core variant to A1222 plus, after which an adaptation to the AmigaOne X1000 is being planned. Solie hopes that porting the multi-core kernel to the other systems will provide new insights, since other processors are used there."

> G5 ID 11,2: [...] 1.9 MIPS/MHz/core

This should be 2.9.

> AmigaOne X5000: [...] 3.0 MIPS/MHz/core

Some newer Freescale/NXP docs say it's 3.3 (32-bit) and 3.4 (64-bit).

> probably very fast in non-SIMD tasks

...and non-FP tasks.