@ssolie

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Why paranoid? Although there is no war why they would not have interest to promote their own OS? And I dont think there is anything wrong with that.

Hummm... My post about the "RedTail" has passed unnoticed. I guess it's not as important as current debate.

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Happy Xmas (War is over)...

(John Lennon)

:-)

;-)


[ Edited by ZB on 2008/12/22 11:10 ]

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Not at all, it looks very interesting. I think more information is needed to have a serious discussion though.

There seems to be two different "wants" for future development, 1. low power SOC systems in ever smaller form factors, and 2. the desire from many users for a more powerful desktop system replacement for the aging Peg1 & 2 systems that are limited in supply.

Number 2 noted above is why I was prompted to look at the different specs for older Power Macs to see which ones most closely matched the 1.42GHz & 1.5GHz MacMini's, and could maybe be a good candidate for the next port of MorphOS.

If Bplan & Genesi are already working to get a low cost system that has better specifications than the old G4 & G5 Power Macs into the hands of the MorphOS development team that will be a better alternative, such as Neko suggested, then we all may have something better to look forward to next year.

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I hope i got it wrong but it seems genesi turned to ARM now... At least the 8610 developer program is taken down now.
Is ppc abandonned now, or is ARM just an addition? I still would like to see a new 8610 board.

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You are right, but it seems it correct only for non-desktop systems (for netbooks/nettops).
I think we have to wait for new bbrv's statements for one/two weeks...

Anyway, I don't want to buy MacMini (or that ARM-based device) when my Pegasos will die. I want to buy NEW hardware... or Wintel box, if there is no new PowerPC-based systems planned...

[ Edited by mobydick on 2009/1/18 20:42 ]

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I'd rather see a shipping product than more statements.

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Me too. But only near-to-shipping product is mentioned ARM9-board.

well, i'd be satisfied with a low frequency hardware if it would have, say, 16 cores, and morphos3 would be capable of using them all :) ofcourse with better timing and more issues, that wouldn't affect developers too much...

bye, MarK.

> it seems it correct only for non-desktop systems (for netbooks/nettops).

...and that's exactly where they said they wanted to build upon the MPC8610. Seems the January Freescale announcement made them rethink everything, unfortunately.

> only near-to-shipping product is mentioned ARM9-board.

The i.MX515 is ARM11, not ARM9. And the ARM9 board for Toshiba "has been in distribution for months" according to BBRV.

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No difference... I think the Pegasos and MorphOS is my last Am*ga system :( I don't wanna buy second hand MacMini or Efika, *very* expensive Samantha for (AOS4|AROS) or plain PC for Amiga Forever or AROS. New PPC-based desktop for MorphOS or nothing.
Really, I'm ready to lost my collection of job's materials, books, porn and other, stored on SFS partitions. I tired to think "what will I do when my C64|Amiga|Pegasos will die?".
(Calculating effect of life w/o computer: -Internet, -electric power for computer and light, -CD/DVD/software/donations... About 1500 rubles/month. Not bad :) )

@ Mobydick

There is still that redtail 8610 board (start of this thread). While information on that one is sparse and mostly Japanese, it seems real and gets promoted by the well reputated NEC company. But I doubt it targets an end user market. We will see what comes next. Unfortunately the situation regarding ppc doesn't get better currently
Other options for MorphOS someone? At least ARM is supports both endianesses, but I seriously doubt a port to ARM would be a good idea or feasible...

> I doubt it targets an end user market.

Yes, according to BBRV it's a dev board only.

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But that board is not commertial product.
Do you remember about Japanese computer, based on 68000? This board can be very porular in Japan. Not in Europe or USA.

"Waiting for a night boat..." (Duran Duran, 1981)

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Endianness affects mostly drivers, which would need rewriting anyway.

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Of course it is a good idea: The wave that ARM is making in the non-x86 space is something not to miss. If the MorphOS Team was a big company with a lot of human resources, they would have jumped into it months ago.

Endianess is important for an amigaish OS if you want to keep binary compatibility to 68k applications in a native environment. For that reason AROS x86 will never have a good 68k emulatior integration.

You are wrong about Aros and 68k emulation !

What you consider as a bad integration, is just that Aros don't emulate specific amiga ship. But Aros probably emulate 100% 68000 instructions (dunno about 68060)

SixK

[ Edited by SixK on 2009/1/20 9:10 ]

@ SixK

I'd be happy if I was wrong. But tell my how shared structs are working on a different endianness?

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Nonsense. It's far more than just drivers.

Any operation between memory and other storage medium (incl network) has potential issues (or to generalize even more: any interface between two different components is potentially a problem. It's even more problematic if file format/protocol endianess hasn't been specified clearly). Trying to fix endian issues on a code that hasn't been written to be endian agnostic to begin with is just total pain.

[ Edited by Piru on 2009/1/20 14:06 ]

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0% would be more accurate, as AROS has no 68k emulator at all (unless you count UAE...)


[ Edited by Henes on 2009/1/20 13:51 ]

Ok I thought there was something like Trance in Aros, but I may confused with amiBridge... Sorry.

Anyway, if e-uae is really well integrated, it could be the best 68k emulator...
But who cares this is not the purpose of this thread ! :)

SixK