PPC Laptop, something for MorphOS?
  • Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12200 from 2003/5/22
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    >> The maths behind this eludes me.

    > Dunno, 1st post in this thread was made in 2014,
    > it is now 2023, seems simple enough for me.....

    Ah, you changed the reference. This explains it. My posting you replied to and all figures therein refer solely to the accomplishment(s) of the fundraising campaign(s), which started in June 2017, not about when the respective development work will be accomplished. Even if my estimation for the collection of the additional 16000 EUR of mid to late 2024 will come true, this won't say anything about the completion of the actual work, which might take years longer or even forever.
    Functional prototype within 10 years from project start (2014) is still in reach in my opinion, but a sellable product certainly isn't. It surely doesn't help that SLIMBOOK has EOL'd the selected Eclipse chassis.
  • »02.07.23 - 13:47
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12200 from 2003/5/22
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    Update:

    > NXP claims T2080 availability until 2027

    I just found that in April or May (narrowed down by using Wayback Machine), T2080 availability has been prolonged by further 8 years to 2035 as per NXP's Product Longevity. This should be sufficient for this project ;-)
    (The same was done for T4160, T2081, T1042, T1040, T1022 and T1020, btw.*)


    * Edit: Meanwhile, availability for the entire QorIQ T series has been prolonged to 2035.
  • »19.07.23 - 13:30
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    Kronos
    Posts: 2338 from 2003/2/24
    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    This should be sufficient for this project


    You're an eternal optimist.....
  • »19.07.23 - 14:28
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12200 from 2003/5/22
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    Addendum:

    > Prototypes ready now.

    Prototype board was shown (not running) by ACube at Amiga 38 as "Amiga PowerPC Laptop", see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODnSaem7ow4 (5:09-5:18). The "8 core" claim is false of course, as it's 4-core with 2 threads each, so 8 threads.
    Interesting statement: "Will be compatible with: [...] MorphOS [...]". I'm not sure whether that's to mean that MorphOS will also be compatible with this board ;-)
  • »17.10.23 - 08:24
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    Update:

    > https://www.bglug.it/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/LD2018_MarioLocati_PowerPC_Notebook.pdf
    > (page 9)
    > Specific components mentioned (selection): [...] Marvell 88SE9235 4-port SATA3

    "More recently chip prices seem to be coming back to more reasonable prices, with the exception of the Marvell Sata3 controller. As a consequence, we are evaluating the removal of the Marvell Sata3 controller to both free very-much needed space space and save some costs because at the moment such a chip costs around 90 euros per piece, quite a lot. In fact, nowadays most SSD are available at a very good price with the M.2 form factor, so a Sata3 connection is not that essential anymore. People in a desperate need for a Sata connection could use the two Sata2 controllers inside the T2080 CPU."
    https://www.powerpc-notebook.org/2023/10/fine-tuning-firmware-for-u-boot-and-develop-radeon-driver-for-latest-u-boot-version/

    "possible removal of the Marvell Sata3 controller ( cost and space reason)"
    https://www.sfscon.it/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/1699403339781sfscon_From_design_to_reality-PowerPC_Notebook.pdf (p. 39)

    Meanwhile, the financial state of all campaigns/phases is as follows:

    I_0. 12600 EUR: Electrical schematics [accomplished]
    I_1A. 19000 EUR: PCB [accomplished]
    I_1B. 5000 EUR: Fast SI bus simulations [accomplished]
    I_2. 13500 EUR: Prototypes [accomplished]
    I_3. 14000 EUR: Testing [accomplished]
    I_4. 12500 EUR: Certification [accomplished]
    I_5. 5375 EUR: Prototypes and MXM graphics cards [accomplished]
    II_1. 1000 EUR: JTAG debugger [accomplished]
    II_2. 5000 EUR: U-Boot [17% done]
    II_3. 10000 EUR: Heat pipes [open]


    Edit: added another source

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 13.10.2024 - 00:40 ]
  • »22.10.23 - 22:48
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    DanicaTalos
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    give it News in 2024?
    iBook G4 - 14" -1,42 GHz - 32MB VRAM - 1,5GB RAM - 60GB mSata - MorphOS 3.18
  • »13.02.24 - 17:42
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12200 from 2003/5/22
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    > give it News in 2024?

    The most recent news update is from the last day of 2023. No substantial progress, though.
  • »13.02.24 - 19:06
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  • man
  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    man
    Posts: 127 from 2019/11/11
    the same of that?
    ACube Systems
    Le fabricant italien présentant le prototype d'une carte mère PowerPC pour ordinateur portable. Son nom de code est Tyche [photo].
    Ses caractéristiques : processeur PowerPC T2080 à 1,8 GHz, huit coeurs, AltiVec, puce graphique AMD/ATI MXM, SSD M2, trois ports USB, port Ethernet Gigabit, résolution FullHD 1920x1080, prétendument pour AmigaOS 4, MorphOS et Linux.
    http://obligement.free.fr/articles/actuenbref09102023.php
  • »14.02.24 - 16:07
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > the same of that? [...] huit coeurs, [...] prétendument pour [...] MorphOS

    See comment #254.
  • »14.02.24 - 16:44
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  • vox
  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    vox
    Posts: 616 from 2003/11/24
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    Is there any hope Acube laptop will be supported by MorphOS?

    And is it in stalled development, or is it progressing?
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  • »22.02.24 - 13:59
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > is it in stalled development, or is it progressing?

    See comment #257 for my opinion on current development.
  • »22.02.24 - 14:47
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  • vox
  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    vox
    Posts: 616 from 2003/11/24
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    II_2. 5000 EUR: U-Boot [17% done]
    II_3. 10000 EUR: Heat pipes [open]


    Seems this U Boot is stuck (plus the pipes, almost like in "Brasil" :D
    Hope it will come closer to reality. MorphOS support, if any, is surely possible only when the board exists :D
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  • »22.02.24 - 19:23
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12200 from 2003/5/22
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    >> II_2. 5000 EUR: U-Boot [17% done]
    >> II_3. 10000 EUR: Heat pipes [open]

    > Seems this U Boot is stuck

    This was 4 months ago, the donations for U-Boot are now at 45%. Note that these figures are solely about the fundraising, not about the state of development. An item on this list may be at 100% donation-wise, yet at 0% development-wise.
  • »22.02.24 - 19:53
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    Kronos
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    Goal will be reached in 8.5 months.
  • »22.02.24 - 19:58
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12200 from 2003/5/22
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    > Goal will be reached in 8.5 months.

    87% in 6.7 years (= 13% per year) means a year from now ;-)
  • »22.02.24 - 20:27
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  • man
  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    man
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    certainly the price of the card will be huge at the end

    if like the x5000 .....
  • »23.02.24 - 07:25
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > certainly the price of the card will be huge at the end

    Yes, and add to this that the "card" (board) will have to be sold as a complete product with chassis, screen etc., which will add to the overall margin.
  • »23.02.24 - 08:44
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  • man
  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    man
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    the problem is simple
    when produce in europe it cost a lot but you have a good production
    hope to pay in 5X or more credit
  • »23.02.24 - 10:23
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    Update to this train wreck of a project:

    > "we plan an upgrade to the PCB design in order to [...] reduce the
    > final production cost. So far, we come up with three changes: 1) removal
    > of the costly Sata3 Marvell controller, 2) removal of the SIM card slot,
    > and 3) removal of the second NAND rom. [...] leaving out the Sata3
    > controller was initially criticized by some of the contributing
    > volunteers, but we demonstrated that existing M.2 connectors could
    > easily replace its functionality using cheap M.2 to Sata3 adapters."
    > https://www.powerpc-notebook.org/2024/04/spring-restart/

    "Due to the significant latency and unreliability of the original hardware designer, we are now forced to find other partners to reach our goal of having the motherboard ready for production in 2025. [...] in November, we found a new highly skilled Italian company for prototype production. This company has decades of experience and a new hardware designer with experience in PowerPC design [...]. [...] The past work on the mechanical aspects of the PCB to fit it into the Slimbook chassis was performed by a previous company that unfortunately generated some dimensioning errors in our existing prototypes therefore the new company has to fix also these problems. Even if this new company was already known as it successfully worked with ACube System in the past, it was not previously selected for working on the laptop because of its somewhat higher cost. So at this point we are left with no choice but to entrust the job to them if we really want to find out what’s wrong with the board. [...] We agreed on a complete and in-depth analysis of the entire pre-boot process of the board. Based on their checks, we may need to implement further patches or introduce additional changes to the electronic design as a worst-case scenario. The new hardware designer [...] will be able to start working on our board by January 2025. In addition to potential electronic fixes, we have already planned some hardware changes as stated in a previous post [...]. The goal is to make new prototypes with changes that will lower the overall cost and to do so, we will drop the SATA3 chipset, which is quite costly and considered obsolete due to the presence of three M.2 connectors. We will also drop the SIM card reader and one of the two EPROMs, as we only need one. Due to the unknown amount of work required, the cost of the activities to be carried out by the new company cannot be estimated. On top of that we plan to make new, hopefully final, prototypes that should cost around 1500 euros each plus around 2000 euros for setting up the prototype production plant. [...]
    We have updated the current donation campaign, postponing the heat pipe redesign for a later stage, and refocused on supporting the required work to make the Powerboard Tyche function correctly. [...] we need to pay a new hardware designer that will help us understand what is wrong with the current motherboard prototypes, potentially leading to a partial electronic redesign. We need to produce a new prototype with mechanical fixes, ensuring the correct placement of the board inside the chassis and some connector placement adjustments. Additionally, we plan to drop the SATA3 chipset, the SIM card reader, and the unnecessary additional EPROM.
    "
    https://www.powerpc-notebook.org/2024/11/major-improvements-for-powerboard-tyche-despite-adversity-but-there-is-still-work-to-be-done/

    Meanwhile, the financial state of all campaigns/phases is as follows:

    I_0. 12600 EUR: Electrical schematics [accomplished]
    I_1A. 19000 EUR: PCB [accomplished]
    I_1B. 5000 EUR: Fast SI bus simulations [accomplished]
    I_2. 13500 EUR: Prototypes [accomplished]
    I_3. 14000 EUR: Testing [accomplished]
    I_4. 12500 EUR: Certification [accomplished]
    I_5. 5375 EUR: Prototypes and MXM graphics cards [accomplished]
    II_1. 1000 EUR: JTAG debugger [accomplished]
    II_2. 5000 EUR: U-Boot [accomplished]
    II_3. 10000 EUR: Fix everything that's broken [26% done]
  • »25.11.24 - 15:40
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  • vox
  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    vox
    Posts: 616 from 2003/11/24
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    Quote:

    Kronos wrote:
    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    This should be sufficient for this project


    You're an eternal optimist.....



    I am too. If I MUST buy another PPC machine in lifetime,
    it would be such laptop IF fully supported by Linux PPC (it is)
    MorphOS (best would be bundled license) and AROS PPC :D
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    Lame PC with AmiKit XE, Linux, AROS and sadly Win11
    Telegram MOS group: https://t.me/+zCLnwCvwhs4wMTI0
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  • »25.11.24 - 16:37
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Stevo
    Posts: 898 from 2004/1/24
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    Hahaha, incredible
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  • »25.11.24 - 16:39
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    KennyR
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    Quote:

    vox wrote:
    Quote:

    Kronos wrote:
    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    This should be sufficient for this project


    You're an eternal optimist.....



    I am too. If I MUST buy another PPC machine in lifetime,
    it would be such laptop IF fully supported by Linux PPC (it is)
    MorphOS (best would be bundled license) and AROS PPC :D




    PPC is dead.
  • »25.11.24 - 17:22
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  • vox
  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    vox
    Posts: 616 from 2003/11/24
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    Quote:

    man wrote:
    certainly the price of the card will be huge at the end

    if like the x5000 .....


    Likely, if ever in existance, but at least should be more modern, as much as possible.

    Sadly, if seems idea is good but way to product is underfunded, and likely not to succeed.

    Too bad, MorphOS deserves more modern laptop :D


    [ Edited by vox 26.11.2024 - 19:15 ]
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  • »26.11.24 - 18:14
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    Kronos
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    Quote:

    vox wrote:
    Quote:

    man wrote:
    certainly the price of the card will be huge at the end

    if like the x5000 .....


    Likely, if ever in existance, but at least should be more modern, as much as possible.




    And what exactly would be more modern?
    It’s just another ancient SoC containing even older cores only deemed for legacy support.
    Some onboard parts that could be added to an x5000 via PCIe.

    Best case scenario is kinda like a 2007 iBook with questionable build quality.

    The ship for this project has sailed long ago.
  • »27.11.24 - 19:22
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