while OS 4 may be released sooner MorphOS is more advanced as an operating system. and to everyone who is impatient, i understand what its like to want something that is being dangled in front of you on a strong you cant reach....i am the kind of person who will sit in front of a 24 hour fitness in front of the big glass windows with the people on tedmills looking out and be eating a big tub of ice cream just to spite them.....(i am not sure if that relates at all) but would you rather have something released full of bugs or would you rather have a well polished well rounded piece of software?

you said no ambiant where shown, but iirc no tcp/ip stack too.. (or was it just the gui part missing? anyway amitcp is still not ready)

just from what i remember ...
and they don't want to do broken promises they said, so they shut up for ever...
i wonder if i don't prefer the partialy broken promises than the full silence ...

anyway, two or three posts made recently, make me remember clearly why i sold my pegasos 1 year ago.
this is too much for me now, see you all in 6months ;)

hopefully, at htis time, ppl will be delighted by the release of the new morphos2.0.
i hope it will be stable !!

edit:
poundsmack, with respect, how can you say that:

"while OS 4 may be released sooner MorphOS is more advanced as an operating system. "

i think you never owned a pegasos neither had morphos running at your home for some time to test it..
all you know is the official blah.. imho

i can say morphos1.4 and pegasos 1 (april2) was a happy crash machine, with no support and no updates for the bugs, and no dialog from the ppl behind this..

and it wasn't the fault of the terribly sucky hardware, as slow as hell.. with linux, it was stable.. super slow, but stable.. it was all morphos 1.4's fault. and i guess mos1.4.2 might be very similar. so ppl don't say me yea, peg1 and mos1.4 was the era before.. now lots of things changed... now it's stable as rock ;) lol


despite that. i'm still looking at this site time to time to see when and what will happen.. someday.. maybe ;)






[ Edited by keisangi on 2004/10/25 4:54 ]

[ Edited by keisangi on 2004/10/25 4:58 ]

How about starting a fortnightly ask Ralph column? :D

I will be laughing my ass off to all you people if MorphOS 1.5 turns out to be utter crap =)

@keisangi

Now you talks like a red troll...

MorphOS 1.4.2 on Pegasos II G3 is a lot more stable than MorphOS 1.4 on Pegasos 1 G3, own experience so I can say this. MorphOS 1.4.2 on my Pegasos II runned vithout crashes for days when I fixed my problems, some people says that MiamiDx runs buggy and seems be true, genesis seems runs better... So not be like another red trolls spreading FUD, please, if you like to do that go to other forums... Please argument better the things and not talking without probed extensively MorphOS 1.4.2 and Pegasos II...

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Hmh... it does?

>Hmh... it does?

Yes.

>I will be laughing my ass off to all you people if MorphOS 1.5 turns out to be utter crap =)

It cannot be entirely crap if it enables AltiVec and lets us cry for joy when looking at the RC5 stats!

@Tarbos

How to reproduce the bug, how it shows?

The first time I heard about it

@hooligan

MiamiDX is buggy. It crashed on my A1200 already.

@MorphDelf

I partly agree with you. There could be more frequent (but smaller) updates and more dialog. Push 1.5 to shows etc.

@ keisangi:


I get the feeling your Peg was badly configured. My Peg1 does run rock
solid except with V and Miami. Those applications are killers, but do
not blame MOS for that.

Okay V is part of MOS, so this part of MOS is buggy. 2nd okay, if MOS
had TCP/IP already I wouldn't be forced to use MiamiDX.


TCP/IP has been shown already early in summer in Poland.


btw.: how to convince genesis to accept a local DHCP server? Anyone a
hint?

Quote:

Yes yes yes so they keep telling me.. would like just to know how it's buggy as I haven't noticed anything special

@hooligan

MiamiDx tends to crash if it can't negotiate with DHCP servers. I.e. Miami reports it cant find IP addresses -> click OK -> Miami freezed.


[ Edited by itix on 2004/10/25 11:59 ]

Zylesea:
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Yes, use Miami or DX ;D

Unfortunately Afair Genesis isn`t able to use dhcp, there were allready many requests about that on e.g. AN.de Board.

Quote:

Aah.. no wonder... I have decent ISP and that sort of problems are non-existing ;)

Sounds like a marginal bug anyway, one which shouldn't bother anyone too much.

My question was how to *replace* MiamiDX with Genesis. I guess your answer translates to "there is no replacement atm".

Zylesea: Yes exactly.
To bring up a runing gag:
"You have to wait for MOS 1.5"
(Well I hope at least that the new AmiTCP is able to do proper dhcp)

>it was all morphos 1.4's fault. and i guess
>mos1.4.2 might be very similar.


MorphOS 1.4.0 had a bug in memory handling
which was fixed in IIRC 1.4.1, 1.4.2 fixed
some ide lockup IIRC.

So if you only used 1.4.0 you cannot really
make conclusions of 1.4.2 or 1.4.3 (peg2
release).

On the other hand if Amiga dealers tell users
that they use Pegasos and MorphOS to
download OS4 and uboot updates for the
AmigaOne this might also say something
about quality of those two products.

@zacman:



@hooligan:

MiamiDX locks here when Deutsche Telekom cuts the DSL connection after 24h, then I got a nice Miami panic popup when I transfered many files over FTP from my Amiga (or was it to PC for backup?) and the RDesktop also had the connection totally f* up when trying to play a small video file over my 100MBit network, sometimes it helps to go off- and online again, sometimes it just freezes.

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You could try aminet:comm/tcp/dhcp_amitcp.lha (readme) from Aminet. It should make it possible to use DHCP on AmiTCP.

I never got it working, but I did try it only once (as I "normally" have a static IP address)

Maybe it's easier to reconfigure my router to static IPs...

Miami freezes sometimes while going online. Worse than Miami is V.

The behaving of the Morphos Team is absolutely inacceptable. The homepage at www.morphos.org disappeared and had been replaced with the very old homepage from the time before Pegasos. No news about 1.5 since many month. We don't know if there is any developement, actually we don't know if the maybe died or converted to AmigaOS 4.0. There comes absolutely nothing. Not even a "when it's done", because we don't know if there still is work on it. Even Microsoft made a lot of nioise about any new version many month before it came. Apple maybe not, but there was always an update or a new version every six month. We not even got very important bug-fixes! There is the question: What does the Morphos-team want? Is it just a hobby, or do they want to make a commercial product? No advertising and forgotten marketing killed more than one company. I still can use Linux on my Pegasos, so it will still be a useful computer, even if I have to sell it for example 2 years, because it is too slow then for me, I bet I will get more for the hardware than for a PC-motherboard of the same age. So it was good to buy the Pegasos. But with this politic of the Morphos team I would convert to AmigaOS, if it would run on Pegasos. They are not ready, too, but you see a progress and you hear from the people who are working on it.

>No news about 1.5 since many month.

Let's check the facts.

The last news about MorphOS 1.5 has been
published exactly one month ago on
September 25th, 2004.

The last demonstration of MorphOS 1.5beta
was at the SNDF Europe which took place at
the end of September 2004, so less than one
month ago.

During the last few months there were several
official statements by the MorphOS team
posted here on MorphZone as well as
morphos-news.de and other Amiga related
sites.

Of course you can demand *more* information
but saying that there has been no information
about progress of MorphOS for "many month
[s]" is simply not true.

>The homepage at www.morphos.org
>disappeared and had been replaced with the
>very old homepage from the time before
>Pegasos

www.morphos.org *always* had the old
layout. It never had the new (=Genesi) layout.

www.morphos.net is the MorphOS homepage
(which had the old layout for a few *hours*
some weeks ago).

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Ambient was not shown.
People were not allowed to take photos of TCP/IP panel.
3D on Radeon was not shown.
No official status after that... Only guesses.

=> If you want to give information and show stuff running, you make an official report and don't prevent people from taking photos !
Or you don't give any information and then don't pretend to do so...

Leo.

3d on Radeon was shown on Amiga Meeting in Lodz. But in my opinion
problem is in this point, users don't know how long they must waiting
for MOS 1.5... Last update has been a long time ago, and people
gossips. People worry about MOS future after last changes in
communication. I think next system update can help. Some people wants
to buy Pegasos, but they wait to clarification this situation.

Ok guys, I've read enough of the thread and must chime in..


1. 3d works on Radeon 7k series in MOS now for months

2. MOS team has had working TCP/IP stack for a long time with DHCP.. I hear now its complete as is prefs

3. Notice how NO ONE from Bplan/Genesi or MOS TEAM has posted here, so are we talking to ourselves?

4. THe whole "MOS 1.5" the next release of MOS will be far beyond a +.1 update AFAIK

5. There are ALOT of undisclosed features that cannot be stated publically due to the "competition" (AOS 4 team)

6. These MOS devs DONT get paid, so maybe we should kiss their asses a little like Hyperion gets theirs kissed

7. I think there should be a "service pack" update for MOS for 1.4 users containing:

TCP/IP
Radeon 3d drivers

8. MIAMI DX works GREAT on MOS for me over 2 years now NEVER A Problem

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