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LOL That is rich coming from a Serb

The KKK in the US is little more than a footnote in history in 2014, yet your country has this.

Yes, I fully agree. The point of having threads is for people with different ideas to come together, get along, and hopefully forge ideas for the future, develop relations, and so forth.

At least that was the old definition of "community". Now a days, especially since the advent of the internet, and especially in cases of ideological despotism, "community" has taken on a different meaning, in which case it merely defines a collective of people with common ideas, backgrounds, and goals working together to further those goals whilst excluding all opposition.

Diversity helps keep us on our toes, it helps give us a glimpse into worlds, ideas, and possibly feelings that we might not have had had we remained in our safety zone where everyone thought pretty much like we do.

Now mind you, I don't feel the diversity should be forced upon anybody. And I do not feel that it is to anyone's benefit to do as the Roman's do just because you are in Rome, but in regards to one's personal development and the potential wisdom they pass on to their children, I feel it is important to encourage one's self to do (within the bounds of your own standards) what you might not usually do, or to go to a place you may not usually go, or to hang out with someone you might not usually hang out with and so forth, even if it makes you or the both of you uncomfortable. Again, how else are we supposed to grow and broaden our horizons? How else can life remain fresh and interesting. Besides, we all gotta die some day, maybe even painfully if we're lucky, but we all get to do that too, so why shouldn't death also be a mysterious journey that we look forward to, not so much in a morbid way per say, but in a manner of curious fascination. (Just as an example).

No sirs/mams. Buy silencing such a thread we would be the same as the cowards that censor relevant speech, and relevant activism, and relevant, preaching, and teaching, and singing, and dancing, and exploring. By leaving such a thread open, we are showing that we are mature enough to govern our own selves, our own choices, and what comes out of our mouths.

Because after all, this thread has not been full of foul words, it's been people contributing thoughts, ideas, and feelings according to their own exposure to the "bigger picture."



@Jim, thank you kind sir! :)

If a country wants the US help, we should help them. We are the biggest and baddest MF'rs on the planet. Period. On the flip side, if someone doesnt want our help, I wouldnt help them at all. We have our own people to help out. That $15 billion would have done some good here in the USA.


The comments that there are other motives of the US when they help... right..just like Russia is only there for their "Russian citizens". LMFAO.

Well, having native ancestry I can verify, just through my own family history alone, that there is an alternative agenda here in the "United States", that does not comply with the ideas put down in the Constitution or Bill of Rights. Then again when and or even after these documents were written, not all people were included in their sentiment, such as the Natives, the Blacks, Irish, and Chinese.

Hmm, this brings to mind a great track by KRS-ONE title Metahistorical. You may not like Hip-Hop's rhythm patterns much, but these lyrics are well worth meditating upon.

YOUTUBE: KRS-ONE - Metahistorical

In fact, let me get a little more tangible for all races. Consider the Coal Mines, the Consider the Work Conditions of the Factory, Consider the Rail Road, the fact that lobbyists are constantly undermining laws that were meant to protect "the people" for corrupt corporate dictatorship and influence. Consider the politics of retirement, nursing homes, Medi-Care, data base tracking, Social Security, and so on and so forth.

And if any of this is alien to our experience, then get in there and get exposed, talk to people in the field, or people who are dealing with the politics, contracts, and what have you. Talk to people on all levels from all walks of life. Go have dinner with a homeless person, something! :)

Politics is about who lies the best, unfortunately, they all lie. All I know is that I'm in the USA and I enjoy the freedom and rights provided to me by the people who made sacrifices in the past...if the Ukraine people like democracy and want it, I hope they get it along with whatever else they are looking for. I'm 1/2 CZ and 1/2 UA, but born here in the USA.

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You got that right! We must take care of the ground we came from!

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FUCK YEA!!!! I am VERY PROUD of my heritage, both UA & CZ. I even have the CZ Coat of Arms as a tattoo on my right upper arm.

What is UA and CZ?

Ukraine, Czech Republic.

Nice! Have you ever paid a visit to either? Not that it's a good time to spend a Holiday in the Ukraine, but...

LOL. Not yet..we have land in CZ which I'm managing, so eventually yes...I'll head over. I've been wanting to go for quite some time but dont know when. Its more of a vacation for me and my wife and right now, I just want to vacation w/wife and kids before I do something for just me.

That would be one heck of a family vacation, better than I ever had growing up! I'm sure you'll all remember it well!

Speaking of which, I seriously need to put my self in a position where I can take some sort of out of country trip. I've lived in various places within the U.S., now it's time to go abroad for a bit me thinks, well anywhere but Canada, that just probably just feel the same as being here. :)

You know...I went on a cruise for the first time two years ago. I went to 5 different locations.. Honduras, Costa Maya, Cozumel, Belize and I dont know the last place. It was cheap (for two people). It was the best vacation for the money, especially since I'd never been on a cruise.

Last year we did the Colorado vacation..dude...that freakin rocked! There is alot to see here in the USA also. I've learned that driving is much more fun..you miss so much flying over and just see the one area you're in. Vegas is cool also..there's other places but I dont want to change the topic of this thread too much and bore everyone.

I've only flown over Colorado though I've heard a lot of good things about it. I have drove through a lot of other areas and tried to make pit stops in each. The East was a curious place, especially the further East you get.
Thus far though, I think Arizona has been the best place I've lived, though I've also some fond memories of Texas. Florida didn't impress me at all, and Ohio, well nobody should come here, that's all I'm saying, but the south and south west, amazing!!!

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There was democracy in Ukrainia already. The last elections were under international inspection. - no issues noticed. The thing is that UA doesn't lack democracy per se, but that several spheres of interest acting up in that country (and support their candidates massively). Of course Janukovich was not good for the country, so was Tymoshenko or most other politicans (but that is a common problem for many democratic countries). UA is too weak. They are the ball in a game played by US, Russia and some Europeam medium forces (Germany, France, EU, Baltic states & Poland,...).
The NSA/GCHQ stories were revealing a lot. Inteligent services are actively working on developing and implementing opinions. And while NSA/GCHQ are probably very advanced in that game, they are of course not the only ones, other services do similar things...
Ukrainia is f*cked up, but not because of lack of democracy.

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Your defense budget alone is 555 billion dollars. 15 is peanuts.

Man, what I could do with those "peanuts"!

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Ha ha, no doubt! :)


Oh ya, while we are talking about Russia and the like, does anyone know the history behind Russia' White House and Liberty Bell?

I remember seeing photos of them in a history book or something, but never found out the history behind them. From what I understand their own White House is now just used to store things in.

Funny to read all that shit.
To populate: there's a military coup in ukraine. Most of newcomers are nazi. Janukovich is an asshole, but he is YET legitimate president of Ukraine. Crimea is an independent republic and was reattached from Russia to Ukraine in 1954. Russia don't want NATO bases near the borders and loosing it's base in Sebastopol. Russian army is in Crimea for some several hundreds of years, since 1783.
Why this all became "new" just right now???

I correct myself, I was totally wrong. Here are the real figures:

List of countries by military expenditures

+1 for not wanting anything to do with NATO bases. I wouldn't either. Not that I support an invasion of Ukraine but...

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First of all: No "military" were involved AFAIK. Secondly: Ukraine (capital "U"), if you'd be so kind, thankyouverymuch.

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What? National socialists? Really? Where?

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I'm afraid he lost his mandate when he decided to brutally pacify the demonstrations.

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No it isn't, it's an autonomous republic and it's part of Ukraine as much as Scotland and Wales are part of UK.

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As well as major parts of Poland were reattached from Poland to USSR in 1945, with major parts of Germany being reattached to Poland at the same time. We just had to live with Stalin's decision. Maybe you should do the same with Chruszczow one?

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Unfortunately, NATO bases near the borders seem to greatly reduce the risk of some thousands of Russian troops moving across these borders.

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I thought the agreement between Russia and Ukraine goes forth as far as year 2042 or so?

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Well, to be precise, first it was Royal Tzar's army, then the White Army (with some Crimean War inbetween), then it was the Red Army (swapping with White Army several times), then German 11th (and Romanian 3th and 4th) army, then again Red Army, and now the armed forces of the Federation of Russia. Not that simple, as I see it.

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Let me guess... Because these brave troops didn't just stay in their military bases, as they should, and instead went to do some sightseeing (capturing the Ukrainian military bases, disarming soldiers and blocking the Ukrainian navy forces in their free time)?

Wow! Italy is at 10th place of the "countres that most buy for their army!". But I say to the world: Don't be worried! Mafia (and politicians) make us pay ten times more the same things that in other countries cost ten times less.... I think about one thousand euros you can find a gucci knife, an armani sling or a dolce & gabbana killing pencil (verry verry evil secret weapon).

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