(this is a re-post)
i am not sure is genesi has thought of this so here we go.
if MorphOS gets released on a mac....i will get a mac Not a pegasos. i don't say that to be mean, but y on earth would you get a pegasos when u could get a mac? what are the advantages? i think a lot of people would think in this same way i do too. a mac can run OSX nativly.......and run linux and everyhting else. whats the advantage of a pegasos. i could have morphos on a laptop on my ibook now.......yes it will get more developers but u are not gona sell nearly as many pegasos boards.......if any at that point....at least in my opinion

Honestly I've had pretty much the same thoughts...the only thing Pegasos may have on Mac hardware is price.

It would be a gamble to release MOS on a mac...not least because they suddenly pop up on Apple's radar (if they haven't already with MOL rumblings.)

BBRV latest musings on strategy speak of licensing...which, if successful, provides an income even if they don't manufacture the hardware themselves but *again* a risk position leaving the door wide open for some Taiwan/China OEM to rape the Pegasos on manufacturing costs (assuming anyone ever finds a volume market for PPC boards.)

Keep the disucssion going...

Steve

My impression is that there wont be a standalone version of MorphOS for Mac hardware anytime soon.

There was some talk about a limited version for Gladiateur IIRC, but that's just to get the game running on Macs.

I wouldn't put off my purchase of a Pegasos waiting for this to happen ;-)

The more PPC's out there, the bigger the whole
market gets for it and less x86 and Windows,YAAA!

yes i agree with you completly JKD ....anyone else?

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not exactly true....see the PPC market is small....what will happen is the big fish will eat the small fish.......there is not enough demand for 2 ppc companies........if morphos/pegasos had a much bigger user base and had some senority in the market things might be diferent.....this will not make apple happy....i am sure they will also try to do somehting to keep MorphOS off there computers.....

Maybe the price? I havent calculated it all over but it seems
the Pegasos is cheaper. It's hard, the only available G4 Power Mac is the 1,25, please do not consider the imac as the right opponent for the Pegasos (no room for expansions and so on). You can configure the Pegasos as you like e.g. more Ram at an affordable price. The prices for Ram for the G5 are...say...strange. If you already have GFX card or Harddrive you can re use it in your Pegasos. The Mac will come with all parts new-and you pay it. You always can sell your old/new parts-but mostly that will cost your money too.

When Volumes go up the Pegasos probably would be cheaper too. Seeing that the G4 is about 230€ more than the G3 shocked me a bit. Prices for the G4@1GHz in different Volumes from Motorola anyone??
BBRV somewhere stated something like "Our G5 will be cheaper than the Apple"

The Pegasos can use "every" PC Radeon. For a Mac you have to get the original Mac edition or re-flash the card.
(Had an re flashed PC card in my G4 Cube some time ago-the price for the MAC GeForce 2 MX as one of the only cards for Quartz extreme fitting the cube is ridiculus-at least in germany.)

I haven't received my Pegasos II G4 now. So i can't say if
it is worth the money. But if not, it was worth the try and the Peg will be sold. I will then also see why anyone _would_ choose MorphOS instead of OSX on an Apple. OSX for me is nice on my iBook.

Yes, it will be sad to see Mac go,:) but
a proprietory system never seems to really
catch on, did Mac not fall to open architecture
once already with Wintel? Pegasos runs
more flavours of linux and other OS's already.

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The MP7447-1000RXLB Apollolo (the currently used "hot" version) is about 190 US$ @ Arrow, the NB (the cool version) is about 230 US $. Those chips are damn expensive. The 7447A will have a better price tag.

MOS on Mac: Currently not interesting. Too much work to get it run on all maschines. bplan/genesi needs the funds from selling mobos.

When the marked has evolved it might happen.
Another plus for the Peg instead of a Mac beside it´s lower price is the (IMO) better design (in comparision to the G4 Macs). Fast memory, microATX. But sure - having a MOS on a dual (okay, SMP for the ABOx anyone?) G5 would b e kind of cool and fast, fast, fast! Using MOS on a laptop would be great too. But I guess much water will go by until it happens.

Better to get a kind of MOM Mac on MorphOS. That would get attention.

But currently MOS on Mac is not an option (too much work, needed funds from selling hw).

cheers

It´s surely not Apollolo but Apollolololo (an extra lo anyone?)

Apollo - that´s it!

bringing this one back

Personally I thought their best hope was the set-top box idea. If they can manufacture small units running some OS...maybe Linux...maybe MOS with a nice media layer/architecture, then they just might be in with a chance to find a partner to manufacture in volume and thus support further development.

The market mor HDTV media players and the like seems to be in the $200 to $299 range right now. The competition largely being Taiwanese.

The market for DVR..think next generation Tivo (with installed HDD and DVD burning capability) seems to be from $300 up to $599..depending on installed hardware. The competition here is huge..Phillips, Sony et al.

A set-top box is 'not a computer' but a manufacturing contract for 250,000 boxes would sure enable the cashflow to support development of one...

If they can sell morphos on the mac there not worried about peg sales. AS software is 100% markup. If they can sell morph os for 150 dollars to mac customers. Trust me they coudl care less about the hardware. THere is much more money is selling the os then there ever is in the hardware. Thats why microcrap is so rich .
Also keep in mind currently peg is selling more systems then they can produce with software you dont have that problem. Plus your getting your name out there. Once they have morph os on there desktop a year or two down the road if they love it they will want to buy a peg4 or 5 or what ever it is then. So no not only did they sell the os and make money, but from that money have the money to produce better machines and for less money that the people who bought morph for there computer will now want to buy and will be available to buy.

Also keep in mind it was mention that they are planning on selling the pegasasus hardware to servers. If that plan works it will also drive up things.

Trust me when I tell you there market plan is sound.

However I agree with the tvtop idea aswell infact in the yahoo news yesterday there is a company paying big bucks look for a good tv top idea.

I would prefer to see native MacOSX in Peg than MOS in Mac.
MorphOS is free, Peg's not.Money is important for the R&D.
So I thing bplan/genesi should focus to their hardware than to their OS for now.
Pegs are running native Linux, so some Wintel antifans can join the LinuxPPC group.
Now bplan/genesi needs to bring some Mac fans too!
About the Wintel-fans forget it..we need some kicking-ass exclusive games to bring them to MOS, because as the most people know "Wintel" is for gamers.

i am a wintell person (kinda) and i am here

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Then order a Peg and become a cooool ppc fan

Serious: i guess there are some ppl who don´t like ppc or x86 (me for example) but to most ppl the cpu is not very important. It´s more the overall performance. And Peg is not bad on that...

Don´t tell the ppl it´s 600 Mhz, just tell them it´s pretty fast, consumes only low power and the system runs silent.