Thanks a lot Jacadcaps for this new release before 2023!

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Thanks jaca!

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And not only the hot fix, but the library itself.

Wayfarer 4.6 is now available!

- Fixed a race condition in OffscreenCanvas leading to use after free
- Fixed the 'Import HAR' button in the Web Inspector
- Drag image handling improvements
- Implemented drag images for links
- Changed the cURL thread priority
- Updated cURL, png, webp and sqlite libraries

You need the latest openssl3.llibrary hot fix from https://morphos-team.net to run this build


[ Edited by jacadcaps 30.12.2022 - 23:48 ]

That has been possible since the initial public release... Were you missing the right fonts?

Thank you for this new update now is possible the spanish accents as caminón, vía, etc.

I've already mentioned a workaround here a couple of times. Use a local socks5 proxy.

> Now it's becoming obvious scheduler and network stack need updated too.

Regarding network stack, the need for a solution enabling faster speeds has been discussed for more than a decade already, the reason being the faster and faster connection speeds and MorphOS hitting a ceiling not apparent with slower connection speeds:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=8782
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=11&topic_id=8894

> I'm not so sure that speed is only a net-device problem.

Absolutely correct, it is not. That's why Piru in comment #1198 mentioned as much as 5 distinct areas where our current combinations of hardware and software are lacking when it comes to web browsing, one area of which is network driver/stack.

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What happens on an AmigaOS-like scheduler when something takes up the CPU time in the foreground, is that the background tasks are neglected. Network connections will time out and all sorts of stuff. Linux doesn't need to worry about that as it's designed from absolute core to be a server OS.

Piru completely overhauled MorphOS memory handling for Wayfarer, which was just insufficient before. Intuition and MUI too, possibly. Now it's becoming obvious scheduler and network stack need updated too.

Are we all beginning to understand what processes drove the development of other operating systems to be "bloat" yet?

[ Edited by KennyR 04.12.2022 - 19:13 ]

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Of course it is not. Often people are talking about different performance issues, and happily mixing them. So when we're talking about something like HTTP2 test being slow, it is likely very different from some web page loading being slow due to sudden periods of high CPU usage.

I was in specific talking about the HTTP2 demo pages loading slow.

I'm not so sure that speed is only a net-device problem. When Wayfarer does internal work and uses CPU to 100% (which is often the case and takes sometimes up to 1 min) there is no activity on network (or device?) during this time......

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That sounds more like you were actually running 4.4. Anyway, I'm glad it's working for you now.

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I realise now what the issue might have been, well it's the only, sort of, logical reason I can come up with . . .

I had been using v4.4, which I was having loading issues with, and then reverted back to using v4.3, which I seem to remember also had a few (fewer) HTTP/2 issues, and then just installed/loaded v4.5, prior to any reboot, and probably the issues I had been encountering with v4.4 and v4.3 were still within/affecting my networking/system.

So, loading v4.5 prior to a cold reboot seems to have still been influenced by the earlier versions. The issues I was encountering do now seem to have been 'flushed' from my system, and v4.5 is working as it seems everyone else is finding, a big improvement over v4.4.

Frankly, a while back you could not login as a member to ebay.co.uk with OWB, but it seems now it works, even the recaptcha image security panel can be completed, though the selling page does not render as it should, but it's nice to know it can be used as a stop-gap, if required.

I should also add that from my own perspective, I owe a debt of gratitude, that I will never likely to be able to fully repay, to you both - jacadcaps & Piru, and anyone else (including jPV) involved in working on/testing Wayfarer, and even though I have donated a few times I feel I would not be as content with MorphOS unless we had a web-browser as capable as Wayfarer on MorphOS - so I am really grateful to you for all your efforts, I just wanted to say it, as such comments often go unsaid.

> I think main problem for speed is leaking outsourceing
> 3D-calc to graphicsprocessor. Correct me, if I'm wrong......

It's more about 2D than 3D. The latter would mean WebGL, which is another topic altogether and not required by most sites.

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I believe this is mostly due to Linux being far more capable in networking in general. MorphOS TCP/IP stack does have some serious performance issues. This problem has been known for a long time but the root cause isn't easy to figure out. It could be the network drivers, the SANA2 interface between the drivers and TCP/IP stack, or the TCP/IP stack itself, or any combination of above.

[ Edited by Piru 03.12.2022 - 22:48 ]

For useing GITHub (and more) in OWB install following scripts here: https://git.walkero.gr/walkero/odyssey-scripts.

I think main problem for speed is leaking outsourceing 3D-calc to graphicsprocessor. Correct me, if I'm wrong......

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Not taking anything away from Wayfarer or MorphOS, as both are indeed very impressive. However browsers on PPC Linux smoke Wayfarer in page loading times. It's even more noticeable a G4. I still use OWB for general browsing because it's insanely fast and still loads most sites, and i bust out Wayfarer for stubborn sites like github when needed.

Skip to 1:25 in this video to see current Otter browser on a 1.3ghz 12" PowerBook G4 running Void Linux. Sorry for the lack of video quality. PowerPC Challenge 2022

I also have no issues with Arctic Fox, InterWeb, Pale Moon, Firefox 68/78, Surf, QuteBrowser etc, so i really don't understand your statement.

Cheers

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Thanks a lot Piru for your explanations!

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Number of things:
- Just in CPU grunt the 3700U is probably tens of times faster (*)
- Memory latency and bandwidth are maybe ten times better (*)
- Any graphics operations are GPU accelerated
- amd64 browsers have JIT
- Network driver and network stack is far more optimal

*) These are guestimates, it's really hard to find any common numbers to compare against.

This being said, Wayfarer itself is damn impressive in spite of all the disadvantages in place. You can get some idea how good it is if you try to run some PPC Linux on the G5 and try some of the browsers there.

@newsense: as Jacad wrote, logging in to ebay.uk from here works flawless. You may try a login with OWB (works too), to find out, whether there is a problem with your net.

I have inferior results on these tests on my G5 2.5GHz compare to a AMD Ryzen 7 3700U with Radeon Vega Mobile Gfx 2.30 GHz.

A limitation of datatypes or network ?


[ Edité par Papiosaur 03.12.2022 - 09:53 ]

www.ebay.co.uk, www.amazon.co.uk and archive.org are all working fine with Wayfarer 4.5 for me.

http://www.http2demo.io/ and https://http2.akamai.com/demo both work too.

@ jacadcaps - Nope! It doesn't seem to be my internet access as I can stream TV from my internet connection when I want to without any issues, and use other online utilities with MorphOS, just Wayfarer seems to be having issues.

Actually I seem to remember v4.3 did have a few error 'time-outs' over the period I have been using it, but nothing as significant as currently with v4.4 and v4.5.

I've been able to get access using v4.3 now, after a reboot, but I just couldn't get on using v4.4 or v4.5 consistently, or even barely, after plenty of attempts to do so, in fact so many that I eventually just gave up.

I just got an error using Wayfarer v4.3 to do with the HTTP/2 framing layer, which seemed to be the reason why you've re-worked v4.4 and then released v4.5. So, I don't know whether it is worthy of mentioning, but anyway here it is . . .

Error loading archive.org
16: Error in the HTTP2 framing layer

@NewSense

Sure you're not just having issues with your Internet connection? https://ebay.co.uk loads just fine for me with 4.5. Same for https://www.amazon.co.uk.

Do let us know if 4.3 is better. Hint: https://wayfarer.icu/history has links to old versions.