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I am not aimng for one-upmanship points here, in any way, I am just stating that this is an issue, and it still needs addressing - when you fix it I'll be only too happy to say so - I am not trying to make things up for you to do, as I know you are very busy on our behalf, and I'm really grateful for all your efforts so far - I've already said so many, many times.

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Logs to follow tonight - stand-by for more e-mail attachments from me.
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OK, that's great that you'll consider improving the features.
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Quote:Well you learn something new everyday, I know I do -> , and thanks for letting me know the MMB is intended to open a QuickLink in a New Tab - that works really well.
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That can't be correct because my MUI > Menus > Appearance options are basically the same for both browsers - I'll send you a screengrab via email for you look over and confirm.
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I'll agree with that, as Deron has been told about the header and some other features that aren't correct, don't work properly, and he's failed to fix them for years now, which gives a really bad impression of a developer - I am sorry to say, and that certainly does not apply to you. (@ jacadcaps)

I notice that it is also possible to transfer the Quick Links from one version of Wayfarer to the next by copying the bookmarks.json file to the Settings folder in the later version, so that saves some effort, as it can be fiddly to set it all up in the 1st place.

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Cmon! I just got 1.3 an hour ago! LOL.

jacadcaps, you are crazy guy!!! Do you never sleep?
Absolutely stunning!

Version 1.4 is out now.

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Maybe it's just me but Wayfarer 1.3 seems much quicker on Powerbook. Pages seem to load faster now.

This is why I did not want to port WebKit2. It's just too slow on single-core machines.

Depends on what you compare it with.

Compare it with Epiphany Web Browser on Linux, using the same webkit-gtk basis - Wayfarer on MorphOS is blazingly fast on the same machine (which would be a PowerBook G4 in my case).

I think it's something between very slow and very very slow, sorry.

havent tried 1.3 yet, but how much potential is there to make wayfarer faster? It is usable but still slow on a Peg2/1GHz.

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What setting are we talking about? Tab colors look exactly the same between OWB and Wayfarer:


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No and unless you can provide me with logs, there's little I can do about this. I haven't been able to reproduce this myself. Same for your other crashes.

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There's no limit but it won't create new lines. Maybe later.

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Wasn't even aware of that. You can click a quicklink button with MMB to open the link in new tab.

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That I believe depends on your MUI settings, namely Menus > Appearance.

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That page looks broken on Vivaldi/Chrome (and in Safari, just a different layout issue) so I'm not going to bother investigating. That's something for Deron to fix.

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You got me here, mate.
My result for 1.2 is quite similar, but 1.3 differs greatly. There's nothing I did to change the default configuration that might affect the result.

I agree that Wayfarer 1.3 results are better on Krakenbench though.

1.2 : 131724.9 ms
1.3 : 123982.9 ms

Here on my G5 2.7Ghz :

- 1.2 : 3587.9ms +/- 0.3%
- 1.3 : 3424.1ms +/-0.4%
- OWB 1.26 : 2721.7ms +/- 0.4%

[ Edité par beworld 19.10.2020 - 12:53 ]

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I haven't noticed any improvement in this regard with MUI, as my Active Tab still is not Highlighted using MUI Settings, that is set in the same way as it was with OWB, but doesn't function with Wayfarer v1.x . . . so far.

Apart from that, the invisible Settings List, and the resulting "meditation" with MUI when accessing Settings you seem to have fixed, which is great, as-in . . . no more v1.2 issues, and onwards with v1.3 . . . . Great, and Super-Fast work . . . as usual, THANKS

Oh, I noticed that if you try to save a Quick Link via a Tab as it is loading then Wayfarer "meditates" - are you aware of that?

AND . . . after a "meditation" you then find that all Settings drop-back to default, or have been removed/deleted/lost, so as with eBay you cannot attempt to login with the Default User Agent set as Wayfarer (as you will end up with a blank webpage), so only when you change that to Safari, or something else than Wayfarer, will it load up the login page. Bear in mind that the "meditation" also de-activates the Show . . . Website Icons + Status Bar + Quick Links Bar, as I have said a "meditation" at that point returns all Settings to "default, it seems.

The "meditation" does not affect the Quick Link you were trying to save, or other saved Quick Links, but they need to be re-activated in the Settings, or via the View menu, to get them to display once more, which is a bit of a nuisance.

By the way, having Quick Links makes using Wayfarer a lot easier, as in simpler to use for the links you use most. However, how many Quick Links does it support? It seems to lay itself out dynamically, but does it move/create a new line when there's no more space/room left on the first line?

With OWB you could use the right-mouse button context-menu to trigger options to open in another Tab, along with other options, but that was the one I used predominantly, but this is currently not possible with Wayfarer - has this feature been asked for by other users, &/or already on the to-do list?

Also, here's another anomaly - if you left mouse-click on the Bookmarks menu you can see both the Sub-Menus, that's including their Sub-Menus . . . BUT . . . if you use the right-mouse button context menu to access the Bookmarks then you only get to see the first level of Sub-Menus, weird or what!?

Also, a strange webpage layout that doesn't occur on OWB or on Firefox of Microsft Edge or Ten Four Fox AFAIK, in that when you load up PageStream DTP webpage and then allow your mouse cursor to hover over "Sister Sites", then click on PageStream Forum, and the page loads slightly more unusually layout wise than it does with other browsers, but ... right-click with the mouse in a blank part of the page (probably any part of the page) and the page will re-arrange itself there and then to what it usually looks like . . . quite weird, but is there a reason why it would do that with Wayfarer, when I haven't noticed it do that with any other web-browser I've visited the pages with?

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Not on my G5.
Sunspider benchmark on Wayfarer 1.2: 3543.5ms
Sunspider benchmark on Wayfarer 1.3: 4072.4ms

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Do you have to restart your writing every other day because of the pace new releases are coming...?

;-)

Version 1.3 is out now with

Minor perofrmance improvements, mostly on G5
Fixed lists in settings displaying no text, sometimes crashing (read: worked around MUI issues)
Fixed url string background offsets
Activate an exiting tab instead of adding a new one for downloads/bookmarks/settings
Fixed tab buttons becoming invisible or corrupt on some configs
Fixed an issue where adding a link to quick links via menu would display them in a wrong location in the Bookmarks tab
Fixed quicklink buttons to respect releasing mouse of of button bounds

OK, I'll send you an email to your gmail address with the details you want from me.

[EDIT] - email and attachments now sent to "jacadcaps" gmail account

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GMail will work just fine. I haven't been able to repro your issue here so I can only guess as what's happening.

Put the 'Quit requester' on the todo...

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I'll send you a debug log to your usual gmail email address, if that is still active, or would you prefer it to be sent to a different location, even the MorphOS "Report a Bug" or to the "support" email for MorphOS? As it will be too large to put on here.

Did you also want my MUI.prefs, Wayfarer.prefs files sent to you, or was it some other files that you required? I'll wait to hear back from you as to what/where/if you need them sent to you as well.

I believe someone else has already offered you screenshots of the "invisible" text - mine will be very similar, and of course if anyone else also then goes into MUI Settings while on the Wayfarer Settings page then they will get the same "meditation" from the program.
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Yes, but it would also be good to have a confirmation "Quit" requester, as a means of non-accidental quitting while actively browsing. It seems to have worked well in OWB, and it's a tried-tested method of program quitting functionality, and frankly I'm surprised you didn't implement it on that basis.

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Jacadcaps: Thanks, I removed it. :)

The esc key can be configured in MUI settings for Wayfarer.

In mui applications ESC usually close the window. Nothing odd here.

Please make sure Escape key doesn't quit Wayfarer without warning in the next release. I'm using it for stopping pages from loading.

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Mind sharing your MUI config ? (global + wayfarer). Thanks.

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Yes, I also confirm this.

The text in Settings menu and even the Download and Bookmarks menus are invisibles.

Screenshot:
http://obligement.free.fr/gfx3/wayfarer12_bogue_prefs.png

BTW, I will publish a review of Wayfarer 1.0/1.1/1.2 very soon.