New Modern Webkit-based Browser In Development
  • MorphOS Developer
    jacadcaps
    Posts: 3339 from 2003/3/5
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    Amigaharry2 wrote:
    Had the same issue - takes up to 2min and more to start.


    The slow start issue will be resolved in 1.11. I've rewritten the WebCore code responsible for this. The new code is about 40x faster on my mini. Probably even better if you're not using a SSD.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Zylesea
    Posts: 2095 from 2003/6/4
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    koszer schrieb:
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    Zylesea wrote:
    Yesterday I was updateing my Efika with MorphOS 3-15 (the device is most of the time in storage, last update was 3.12). But years ago it was a remoely usable machine even for the net. Yesterday it was just poor. For Wayfarer to start, it was a little to less memory. Odyssey starts up, but loading morph.zone consumes all free memory, AWeb starts fine, but well...


    There's always Sputnik...

    /me hides under the chair




    Tried Suptnik of course, too. But Sputnik moans about some missing bmp.decoder version I was not able to find and hence failed to start (Classes/Multimedia/ just contains the bmp.demuxer, but not the bmp.decoder). Should look up some old backup (next time I pull the Efika out of storage).
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    koszer
    Posts: 1362 from 2004/2/8
    From: Poland
    Quote:

    Zylesea wrote:
    Yesterday I was updateing my Efika with MorphOS 3-15 (the device is most of the time in storage, last update was 3.12). But years ago it was a remoely usable machine even for the net. Yesterday it was just poor. For Wayfarer to start, it was a little to less memory. Odyssey starts up, but loading morph.zone consumes all free memory, AWeb starts fine, but well...


    There's always Sputnik...

    /me hides under the chair
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Zylesea
    Posts: 2095 from 2003/6/4
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    Cool_amigaN schrieb:
    Now many are enabled again, though processing power and js is killing the experience in some situations. Still, this might be a final push on the internet service life for many PPC..


    I am always wondering what massive skripts are running on the sites and for which purpose exactly. I am no web developer and guess not all developments are stupid, but somehow I have the feeling the new versions are not always a real improvement (to say the least).

    Yesterday I was updateing my Efika with MorphOS 3-15 (the device is most of the time in storage, last update was 3.12). But years ago it was a remoely usable machine even for the net. Yesterday it was just poor. For Wayfarer to start, it was a little to less memory. Odyssey starts up, but loading morph.zone consumes all free memory, AWeb starts fine, but well... Don't get me wrong, I am not compalining - the Efika _is_ way underpowered. But still I am wondering why the net has become that resource hungry on almost every site.


    But as we cannot change that, we must be even more thankful to the MorphOS/Wayfarer team who are still giving us the option to use this blown web. Thank you guys (really!).
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Amigaharry2
    Posts: 1392 from 2010/1/6
    From: EU-Austria (Wien)
    Had the same issue - takes up to 2min and more to start. Installed Wayfarer completly new (deleted od installation and prefs-files in ENV-Archive/MUI), copied only my bookmarks.json back to new installation - and now it works as it should. I'm not sure, but I think it had to do with loading fonts at starting Wayfarer. Till yet this behave does'nt occur again.
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  • »02.01.21 - 16:03
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  • MorphOS Developer
    jacadcaps
    Posts: 3339 from 2003/3/5
    From: Canada
    I can only suggest that you both defragment your disk and disable disk cache entirely.
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  • Butterfly
    Butterfly
    Posts: 81 from 2020/5/1
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    jacadcaps wrote:
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    duga wrote:
    1.10 takes 8 minutes to start with an installation where I've only extracted the archive over older installations.



    8 minutes would suggest the I/O perf is seriously crippled on your machine. Possibly a really slow and fragmented disk?


    It's an 5400 RPM SATA drive via a 3512 SATA controller. Not fast, not slow. MorphOS boots fast, a clean installation of Wayfarer 1.10 starts fast.

    I lowered the cache from 512 to 64 MB, that didn't help (possibly even slower).
  • »02.01.21 - 12:34
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    emeck
    Posts: 175 from 2014/7/15
    @jacadcaps

    I have a problem with opengameart.org

    It loads and displays OK but after login the page reloads and displays only the blue background. The mouse pointer changes if I move it over the page, as if the links and parts are there, but invisible.

    Also, I can not load another page in that tab later. The title and icon in the tab changes for the new loaded page but it is not displayed; just the blue background from opengameart.org. Opening another tab works ok.

    Tried with Odyssey 1.26 and works as expected.
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  • »02.01.21 - 11:54
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  • MorphOS Developer
    jacadcaps
    Posts: 3339 from 2003/3/5
    From: Canada
    Quote:

    duga wrote:
    1.10 takes 8 minutes to start with an installation where I've only extracted the archive over older installations.



    8 minutes would suggest the I/O perf is seriously crippled on your machine. Possibly a really slow and fragmented disk?
  • »02.01.21 - 11:17
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Cool_amigaN
    Posts: 777 from 2011/11/30
    Sound playback consumes 15-25% less than (latest) OWB, depending on web site/serice. Never got more than 5% cpu usage, pretty impressive job right there! Exiting takes a little more time than previous versions (roughly about 5 secs). I think it only needs Video playback and the browser is complete from a user's pov.

    Tbh this seems as a last call to arms for the PPC systems we are using... I remember fondly the days when I could access services like gmaps, gmail, dailymotion, yt and the likes on the same system I am using, which progressively dissapeared. Now many are enabled again, though processing power and js is killing the experience in some situations. Still, this might be a final push on the internet service life for many PPC..

    Anyway, just a heads to anyone interested: apparently you have to import owb bookmarks with wayfarer turned off for them to work :P Perhaps a warning and/or wayfarer task check could be implemented. The Quick Links of owb didn't automatically appear and I had to move them manually from Wayfarer bookmarks manage tab.

    On further a side note, is it possible to use the icons from owb also (back/forth/folder on quicklinks group etc)?
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  • »02.01.21 - 09:13
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  • Butterfly
    Butterfly
    Posts: 81 from 2020/5/1
    1.10 takes 8 minutes to start with an installation where I've only extracted the archive over older installations.

    Clean install of 1.10 takes only a few seconds to start on my Sam460ex@1.15 GHz.


    Which files should I delete in my old installation?
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    IKE
    Posts: 150 from 2009/11/7
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    Very awesome progress and many thanks to jacadcaps and the team!
    IKE

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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    NewSense
    Posts: 1619 from 2012/11/9
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    @ jacadcaps / Piru / jPV - Have any of you had time for a bit of "snow-time" with your families as yet?

    @ jacadcaps - You certainly are a one-man programming machine/cyborg/nice-guy/insomniac. 8-D

    The above comment also applies to Piru and jPV and all the others involved - not necessarily all on the MorphOS Dev. Team. 8-D

    Thanks sooo much for all your hard work this year for us all to benefit from. I can't wait for 2021 to see it all in video :-o , but I can at least now hear the Christmas bells ringing faintly in the distance. 8-)
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  • »30.12.20 - 21:21
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  • MorphOS Developer
    jacadcaps
    Posts: 3339 from 2003/3/5
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    There's no fee for issuing licenses or registering devices, that's true. But that's not the same as certifying a DRM client implementation. You won't even get the specification without signing a legal agreement with Google first. And for that you need to create a legal entity - at least I would not want to have a personal liability. Would you?
  • »30.12.20 - 17:30
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  • Butterfly
    Butterfly
    Posts: 81 from 2020/5/1
    https://wayfarer.icu/faq

    "Spotify requires DRM EME extensions like Widevine or Fairplay. While not technically impossible, the associated licensing / certification costs are prohibitive."


    https://techpp.com/2019/03/25/explained-widevine-drm-certification/

    "Widevine is free to use by the content providers and does not require any fee for license generation and device registration. Instead, all that smartphone manufacturers need to do is clear a certification process, which includes different legal agreements, software implementation, and a few other measures."

    Is it free or not? Of course "legal agreements" could cost (a lot). What am I missing?
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    vulture
    Posts: 198 from 2008/2/4
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    Thx Jacadcaps! That's awesome work!

    Two things if I may:
    1. I need to enter http:// for wayfarer to be able to resolve a local ip. Is there a setting I'm missing or is it a glitch (or a feature)?
    2. I can't quite work out how I can have a global setting to popup a requester for media files and have it allowed by default for specific sites. Seems like if I change either one of them (the setting for a site or globally) the other is changed as well. Again, maybe I'm missing something.

    Either way, thank you for this fantastic end-of-2020 year gift, let it go away on a high note! :-)
  • »30.12.20 - 17:15
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  • MorphOS Developer
    jacadcaps
    Posts: 3339 from 2003/3/5
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    Wayfarer 1.9 is now out. Happy New Year everyone!

    A 1.10 release with a minor AHI crash fix will be out within several minutes.

    [ Edited by jacadcaps 30.12.2020 - 19:12 ]
  • »30.12.20 - 15:45
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Zetec-s
    Posts: 198 from 2008/7/10
    From: Cheshire, UK
    This really is great news for Christmas!

    Thank you so much to you and all the other members of the Morphos team for achieving this.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    @ jacadcaps - Damn, you're good :-o

    ... soon be time for you to get to bed, for some sleep - for once - so Santa can send you something nice !! 8-D
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  • »21.12.20 - 03:19
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    IKE
    Posts: 150 from 2009/11/7
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    Now that's some great news!
    IKE

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  • »21.12.20 - 01:01
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  • MorphOS Developer
    jacadcaps
    Posts: 3339 from 2003/3/5
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    Wish you could hear this with me... :)



    This, obviously, isn't the same player as the one in Odyssey. As previously promised, there is HLS live streaming support so many radio stations work. Supported codecs are mostly same, but I've added Opus which appears to be more common these days. The code was optimized for low CPU usage, so you can comfortably listen to - say - tunes on Bandcamp and Wayfarer's audio threads will be unlikely to consume more than 1-2% of CPU (same test sites with Odyssey were using about 30% more CPU time on my reference 1.5GHz Mac mini).

    That said, things are still a bit spotty - for example Youtube audio needs more work (although it does work on some pages). No release date yet, but stay tuned :)

    And before you ask: 1.9 will NOT have video playback.
  • »21.12.20 - 00:54
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  • Butterfly
    Butterfly
    Posts: 81 from 2020/5/1
    Posted from Wayfarer 1.8 on a Sam460ex in a Checkmate 1500 Plus chassis running MorphOS 3.14.
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  • Caterpillar
    Caterpillar
    Posts: 23 from 2018/4/20
    [quote]ASiegel wrote:
    @Olystany

    Wayfarer does not currently support audio playback.

    first remove the start window , and audio playback at last step maby not possible .
    Maby i can see the Watherfall clear , and can zoom in and out , it al very nice .

    Thanks , you will see what is possible on Morphos :-))

    Stany Van Rompaey
  • »12.12.20 - 08:57
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  • ASiegel
    Posts: 1399 from 2003/2/15
    From: Central Europe
    @Olystany

    Wayfarer does not currently support audio playback.

    Also, this is a super-heavy website that consumes quite a lot of CPU time (on a single core) even on hardware that is much more powerful than a PowerMac G5.
  • »12.12.20 - 07:37
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