MorphOS Demopack
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    http://ada.untergrund.net/?p=demos&h=7



    Those all have been tested and many of them are already in the pack, others won't work for reason or another. If someone could patch some of them, it would be great, and of course would be included then.

    [ Edited by jPV 03.03.2014 - 09:40 ]
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    >>> Maybe some older demos that can be patched to run on MOS/OS4/AROS could be included?

    >> Which one for instance?

    > you could test em one by one.
    > http://ada.untergrund.net/?p=demos&h=7

    I don't understand. How do you know any of those demos that are not already included in the pack "can be patched to run on MOS/OS4/AROS"?
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    >>> Maybe some older demos that can be patched to run on MOS/OS4/AROS could be included?

    >> Which one for instance?

    > you could test em one by one.
    > http://ada.untergrund.net/?p=demos&h=7

    I don't understand. How do you know any of those demos that are not already included in the pack "can be patched to run on MOS/OS4/AROS"?


    No, I don`t know, you can compare. But I am sure not all ins included.

    And question is can those old nice early PPC demos be patched to run on MOS,
    I can`t test it since my SAM is not MOS capable yet.
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    vox wrote:
    No, I don`t know, you can compare. But I am sure not all ins included.


    All of the demos you've linked to have been tested, and the working ones have already been included in the pack.
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    Britelite wrote:
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    vox wrote:
    No, I don`t know, you can compare. But I am sure not all ins included.


    All of the demos you've linked to have been tested, and the working ones have already been included in the pack.


    Thanks. Which are none working and is there a way to fix them, even by contacting demo groups, if in existance?
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    vox wrote:
    Thanks. Which are none working and is there a way to fix them, even by contacting demo groups, if in existance?


    The ones not working are the ones not included in the pack, obviously :)

    Some of them could perhaps be patched, but I'd say most of them should need to be fixed by the groups themselves. But some of them rely on, for example, the AGA-chipset and/or a specific type of gfx-card (bvision/cvision).
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    Britelite wrote:
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    vox wrote:
    Thanks. Which are none working and is there a way to fix them, even by contacting demo groups, if in existance?


    The ones not working are the ones not included in the pack, obviously :)

    Some of them could perhaps be patched, but I'd say most of them should need to be fixed by the groups themselves. But some of them rely on, for example, the AGA-chipset and/or a specific type of gfx-card (bvision/cvision).


    Could we know which are (which groups) and see what can be done?

    That was the hardware of that times.

    Is AGA emulation really something that cannot be implemented in MOS
    and overrun as obstacle when we have CPU emulation? Could Radeon do
    that share of magic anyhow?
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    vox wrote:
    Could we know which are (which groups) and see what can be done?


    Yes, you can download the pack and see what's missing, and then contact the groups in question.

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    Is AGA emulation really something that cannot be implemented in MOS
    and overrun as obstacle when we have CPU emulation? Could Radeon do
    that share of magic anyhow?

    I'd say AGA-emulation in MorphOS is a waste of time. Most AGA-software runs in UAE anyway (except for the few odd PPC-titles).
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    Britelite wrote:
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    vox wrote:
    Could we know which are (which groups) and see what can be done?



    BR>Yes, you can download the pack and see what's missing, and then contact the groups BR>in question.

    Already established, but don`t you think its wiser if e.g.
    a) Makers of pack ask for it instead of some individual
    b) We link demo developers and MOS team in order to fix what is needed, and to boost some new demo scene development.

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    Is AGA emulation really something that cannot be implemented in MOS
    and overrun as obstacle when we have CPU emulation? Could Radeon do
    that share of magic anyhow?

    I'd say AGA-emulation in MorphOS is a waste of time. Most AGA-software runs in UAE anyway (except for the few odd PPC-titles).



    Strongly disagree, once CPU is already emulated its easier to emulate AGA chipset then to run full fledged emulator. Even UAE can be well integrated these days, its very sad to see same solution is used as in e.g. Windows. If OS is quite compatibile and 68k emulation is JIT and funky, and just AGA (CIA, Paula, Denise ...) are missing, what is most logical answer? C mon, we can do WarpOS apps and can`t run OCS/ECS/AGA :-) If AmigaOS team has given it up with same lame excuse, MOS can do better :-)
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    Britelite wrote:
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    vox wrote:
    Could we know which are (which groups) and see what can be done?


    Yes, you can download the pack and see what's missing, and then contact the groups in question.


    Or just read the Info-link on that page to see what's included.

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    vox wrote:
    Already established, but don`t you think its wiser if e.g.
    a) Makers of pack ask for it instead of some individual



    I don't know if that matters. This isn't that "official" pack and we're individuals too ;) Actually I would appreciate any help from others too, we don't have always time for everything either. If somebody is going to ask around, it's ok to mention this pack.

    About AGA emulation. It surely would be nice and it would allow some other programs like utils, music apps etc to work too. Some programs wouldn't even need the AGA chipset or display, but they're still coded to depend on it by some functions. But it would be a huge amount of work to make it.. I think that existing team members are too busy with other stuff to even think about starting that big project. It's also losing its worth all the time when more and more native software comes.

    [ Edited by jPV 08.03.2014 - 10:13 ]
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    vox wrote:
    Already established, but don`t you think its wiser if e.g.
    a) Makers of pack ask for it instead of some individual

    As JPV already said, I don't really see the difference here. And to be honest, there probably would already have been MorphOS-fixes for non-working demos if the makers were interested in doing said fixes.

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    b) We link demo developers and MOS team in order to fix what is needed, and to boost some new demo scene development.

    New demo scene development on MorphOS? Apart from the 68k-stuff by Elude, my 68k-demos and a few ports, there hasn't really been anything happening demoscenewise on MorphOS for years, and I don't see the situation changing in the future.

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    Strongly disagree, once CPU is already emulated its easier to emulate AGA chipset then to run full fledged emulator.

    If it's so easy then why don't you lend a helping hand to the MorphOS-team and implement the AGA-functionality? ;)
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