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There are no hidden microphones in you house, Jim. There's no CIA satellite following you from the sky above. It's the mighty Andreas Wolf human surveilance system.

Amazing attention to detail, Andreas! Congratulations. I'd be honoured if followed the same way.

> I'd be honoured if followed the same way.

I didn't follow Jim per se but rather an amiga.org discussion thread he took part in. And I did follow you to imxcommunity.org, but I won't deepen in that site due to my general lack of interest in i.MX :-)

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As I would prefer to continue to use MOS, rather then switch to AROS or rely solely on OSX or Windows, in a word - yes.

Someone who's opinion I trust swayed me on this point.

However, I don't think we'll see the need to do this any time soon. First G4 Powermacs, then Powerbooks, then G5 Powermacs. After that, who knows. If we're lucky maybe there will be another PPC platform to move to.

If not, then X86 (damn) is a possibility. That isn't a decision I'm happy with (too much Deja Vu).

BTW - If you follow my comments on Amiga,org you're likely to be confused. Lately I've taken a position which POs Amiga purists. Since they're so offended by Barry Altman's Commodore USA, I've tried to point out that the Amiga name is nothing more than a marketable asset.

[ Edited by Jim on 2010/9/10 2:17 ]

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I'm not worried about Andreas' incredible recall. The only thing that concerns me is my own lessened focus on the topics discussed and the reduced quality inherent in my own postings recently.

I felt better about my input on this forum when I was more involved in researching/studying topics related to it.

>> Seems you changed standpoint, eh? ;-)

> in a word - yes.

Fine :-)

> There's a recent statement by Trevor Dickinson which seems to indicate that
> the AmigaOne X1000 will initially use PA6T CPUs with only one functional
> core (and with the second one broken and thus cheaper to source?):
>
> "the intention is for multi processor support to be added although the first
> AmigaOne X1000 will not support this."
> http://www.commodorefree.com/magazine/vol4/issue43.html#ARTICLE3

While that one by Trevor Dickinson is still an unsolved mystery, I came across another puzzling statement, this time by journalist impersonator Jeremy Reimer:

"The X1000 motherboard has a dual-core PowerPC family CPU (it is actually closer to IBM's POWER line than the PowerPC), PCI Express slots, and a new custom chip called the XMOS that is like a programmable vector processor."
http://www.amigafuture.de/kb.php?mode=article&k=3628

What could the part in brackets mean technically, considering that IBM POWER is actually an implementation of 64-bit PowerPC ISA?

(Commenting on nonsense like "custom chip" and "vector processor" isn't even worth the hassle I think.)

Having experimented with the XMOS line of processor, that comment about it being a programmable vector processor is laughable. I think your term 'Journalist Impersonator' is remarkably accurate. The man in question isn't apparently aware of what the processor on the X1000 mainboard is..

> I think your term 'Journalist Impersonator' is remarkably accurate.

Having read the whole "article" it seems like an entry to a "most factual errors per word count" contest. And I think it would have a good chance to win the trophy ;-)

The "article" was indeed "funny" in a way, probably even more innaccurate than what Jeremy Reimer already got us used to when he was writing for Ars Technica. The "Galleon3D" snippet was amusing, for instance. I won't comment about the bit about the XMOS chip being a "custom" chip: it's really not worth spending words...

Kind regards,
Andrea

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Ouch... I had Ars Technica high in my list, as I've red some amazingly detailed articles over there (don't remember author, though). What's your take on that site?

> The man in question isn't apparently aware of what the processor
> on the X1000 mainboard is.

I guess that even Reimer may get a clue now. At least Holwerda obviously has:

http://www.osnews.com/story/24151/A-EON_Reveals_AmigaOne_X1000_Processor_Through_Cake ;-)

There're some other people out there who I'm eager to see if they'll stick by their word:

"If they have a P.A Semi chip with Altivec and even if it's only a 1.6GHz version I will apologize in every forum about being skeptical, about calling the X1000 an over-hyped product and about calling the AOS4 fans naive." (*)
http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/169942.shtml

Anyway, I'm eager to hear the "quite a story" :-)


* Edit: So far he seems to have forgotten his promise he made 9 months ago:

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=32910&forum=33#593514

(and he even keeps on with his "according to records the first CPUs in the A1X1K were used chips" story when in fact A-Eon said it was *sample* chips they used in the beginning)

[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf on 2010/12/21 15:11 ]

Now fully official:

http://www.a-eon.com/news.html

Still, no word on who the PA6T supplier, who A-Eon said they have their NDA which prevented them from revealing the identity of the CPU earlier with, is/was. So I guess there're still some information to be revealed to get the whole "quite a story".

Nevertheless this is good reading though! my question is without touring a.org/aw.net is how many units and how long of a production will this be?

The PA6T CPU paves the way for the introduction of SMP with AmigaOS4.x. Also check out the new multi-core CPUs being developed by Freescale, in particular the 64-bit dual core, 2.2 GHz P5020 and the 8-core, 1.5GHz P4080.

It would also appear they have a future plan together dispite what many have suggested, so with the socks/cake eating and all, what's ours?

> what's ours?

For now it seems to be this:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7264&forum=3&post_id=75228#75228

> OS4 on one core of a 1.8 GHZ PA Semi

1.5 weeks ago A-Eon changed the X1000's official specs from 1.8 GHz to 2.0 GHz.

http://www.a-eon.com/x1000.html

Nice! An over 10% improvement in clock speed. If they do figure out an SMP (or ASMP) scheme, this could really give us some competition (finally).

this could really give us some competition (finally).

370 days since the first puzzle item revealed. Counter still running.

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Wow, its been over a year?
Considering how much you guys have accomplished in that time frame, maybe they'll always lag behind.
Wouldn't it be ironic if you managed to get G5 support completed before the x1000 was available for purchase?

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Ironic ???

More like buisness as usual if you asked me.

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I would not be surprised at all if G5 support were finished and released before the X1000 was available for sale to the general public (if that ever occurs). What will surprise me greatly is if AmigaOS4.x gets any kind of multi-core support (which they claim to be working on), before the MorphOS Dev. Team completes support for any G5 models. I am also very confident that any kind of hacked multi-core support by AmigaOS4.x will be quickly surpassed by the MorphOS Dev. Team, if not outright beaten to a release date of some kind of multi-core support within MorphOS.

I think the AmigaOS4.x developers and Hyperion have done themselves a great disservice by announcing features so far in advance and making their users wait for months, if not years for any tangible results, but then it is a pattern of theirs, when you look at how long it took them to finally release OS4.

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Whatever they do, it's wrong. If they don't announce anything, people moan, if they announce they will moan as well. Like Trevor said, they "can't win" in this regards. Nevertheless, Kronos already said it, it's "business as usual"...

I'd say the difference is in how you "announce" something.

In the past years the MorphOS-team has "announced" several ports to various Apple-HW, not by making bold statements like "most ambitigious project" or " you don't have to wait till summer" but by simply showing the current state of affairs while stressing that the can't commit to any fixed release date (or a release at all).

That way everybody knows that there will be support for PowerBooks and various G5-models some time in the future, everybody can make up his own mind on when those will be ready based on what can be seen on the internet and/or user-meetings.

With OS4 it's more like "what pig are they gonna chase down the street today ?" Will it be USB2 ? Gallium ? (A)SMP ? XMOS ? Some more *nix-crap ?

> "most ambitigious project"

Hi bernd_r ;-)

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Ola Mr mk ......

(no idea whats this about, just thought I'd play around anyways)

> no idea whats this about

Well, "ambitigious" has been one of bernd_r's various spellings of the word "ambitious" on amiga-news.de :-)