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Some people were given MUI CVS access to port MUI3.9, more than a decade ago.
As you may know, having access to a CVS file means you get access to all its versions. Past, present and future...

> Some people were given MUI CVS access to port MUI3.9, more than a decade ago. [...] having
> access to a CVS file means you get access to all its versions. Past, present and future...

Thanks for the clarification.

If they got the code to port 3.9, where does 4.0 comes into the picture? It sounds to me then that they had access to the 4.0 beta, but where not allowed to use it but did anyway.

Am I correct?

I personally dont give a crap about OS4. Yes its needed for one thing only, competition. Just like some or a few stated, if OS4 disappeared, you wouldnt have a mass exodus from it to MorphOS and vice versa. I wouldnt because the hardware is overpriced and underpowered.

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I feel that most of the OS4 users have other machines (mostly Windows or OSX) as their main computers, and they mostly buy/talk OS4 systems for support for the name and because of some day dreams that they'd one day actually use it instead of their mainstream system. So, my bet is that if OS4 disappears, they'd just continue using what they've actually been using until now too, and yes, still wouldn't care about MorphOS, because of the name.

Of course same applies partly to MorphOS too, but not in that extent at all, IMHO. MorphOS is almost completely bought with usage in mind and not with name worshipping. If MorphOS would disappear and OS4 would keep evolving to better than MorphOS ever was and usability value would turn around, I'd very likely go that other route then.


[ Edited by jPV 05.11.2015 - 08:30 ]

And if MorphOS disppears? better or worse for Amiga community?. Never is a clear image of the situation if you do not ask at the two sides of the question

The no question in fact, because both exists, the users are not the same, Os4 fans invest money actively into everything they want, even if it's vapor, Os4 users are not more rich for many of them but they think that it's the price of the boingball
For me i prefer Morphos, it's because it was the first amigaos child in powerpc. I consider Morphos as a real AmigaOS but more stable more efficient and i imagine that MorphosNg will be excellent.
I have many friends which uses the both operating systems, many of them prefer Morphos,but the some of them prefer Os4. I like also morphos cause some mens which i consider as friends are in the Mosteam. Some coders says that debbuging is easier on Os4 but they also sayed that morphos is more advanced in many things.
For me whith Os4 was not the right question, whitout hyperion was the better one. They do nothing real they just hype, like timberwolf,gallium,smp,memory protection,libreoffice....many of Os4 developpers and programmers i know are sure that hyperion want all the glory for them but they are just vapor.


[ Edited by acepeg 05.11.2015 - 23:08 ]

> For me whith Os4 was not the right question, whitout hyperion was the better one.
> They do nothing real they just hype, like timberwolf, [...] libreoffice....

These are not Hyperion projects.

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Well, the community would be a lot smaller, if MorphOS disappears. I don't think the community would be smaller if OS4.x disappears, people would still be using their classic hardware. I would have left the community a long time ago. For me, MorphOS has much more to offer than OS4.x.

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I wouldnt switch to OS4 because of my previous reasons. I dont know what would happen to OS4, I dont know how far along its come or what it can/cant do vs MorphOS since I dont go looking for OS4 info. I'm assuming it would surpass MorphOS but for how long, nobody knows. How relevant will any of these OS's be? Will they be developed for another 5,10,20 years or fade into obscurity since its closed source? I hardly ever use my MorphOS machine, but come to MZ frequently just in case something good pops up software or hardware wise.

I will tell you something though..I cant wait to install Tower 57 on my MorphOS box!!!

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I would give almost the exact same answer as I did for OS4.

What would happen to OS4.x if there were no MorphOS? In 2015?

Nothing. No change.

There is a small number of users who use both, but for the most start people who use one side aren't much interested in the other side.

Speaking personally, if MorphOS disappeared and everything else being equal, I would not buy an OS4 system. I may watch AROS a little closer than I do now, but I wouldn't suddenly want a staggeringly expensive niche system.

[ Edited by redrumloa 05.11.2015 - 20:32 ]

I think that if one side would disappear a lot of users on the winning side would gloat. To exess.

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I don't know is it better or worse, but I think it doesn't matter anymore, because I get back to Linux/BSD/maybe AROS/anything else. (Not to OS4)

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Heh, I will keep using MorphOS the very same way Classic users keep using WB 3.1, 20+ years after it was released. Even if the developers quit and throw away the code you can still use MorphOS just like today

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Yeah... but
1: Our machines getting outdated day to day. MOS NG is vital, to have a system, which is fast and healthy. These Mac-s will not live forever.
2: If the MOS dev. team quits, probably there will hardly appear any new app since they are the main app developers too. There will be no sense to stay (and s..ck without modern applications) anymore. Most of the MOS users don't use their machines for every day tasks today. Why should they have their machine anymore? Maybe, just for nostalgic reasons...

@deka

1. True, and I'm all for an ISA shift. The sooner the better. But considering that a lot of original Amigas are still up and running 20-30 yars after being made we don't have to exptect that every PPC Macs will suddenly just become useless.

2. I don't know if they are the main app developers too. Apps are being written, even though you at least get the impression that the AOS 4 guys are better at it. And I use my Mac Mini as my main machine. Because I can. But I'm probably in the minority there

And why is "nostalgic reason" a bad reason? It works for a lot of Amigans in general.

@Yasu:

I think MOS and a classic Amiga is a slightly different thing, since
1: Mos has much less programs
2: It is created to be modern and usable for current tasks.


If it becomes outdated, it is very questionable the sense of it.

Btw, I also use a PB for everyday (home) computing. ;)

@deka

1: True, but a lot of of useful classic programs works just fine.
2: Just like the original Amiga. People find their own reason to stick with outdated things. I think it will be the same with MorphOS, but probably on a much smaller scale. Some people still use BeOS and OS/2 for pretty much the same reasons.

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It wouldn't change much. Maybe a few MorphOS ppl would join OS4. If one oth the OSes disapperars tomorrow it wouldn't change much for the other. About 10 years ago this would have been different, but not today.

I would use OS4 if cheap hardware was made available. OS4FE price is tight however. I used it on Peg2 and was for me a funny alternative to MorphOS. (Despite of quite GrimReapper visits). It gave me a good Amiga feeling too.

OS4 has been dead for years. It was badly injured when Eyetech did the bait-and-switch with the Escena "AmigaONE" with some failed Teron board; it was fatally wounded when it took almost five years to get a release version; and it died when Amiga Inc sued Hyperion into a debt pit it will never escape from (especially not by releasing full-price ports of ancient games you can get on steam for 59p).

The remaining users are just too stubborn to realise they are metaphorically waiting for a dead, rotted and now skeletal horse to wake up before they can ride into the glorious sunset, but that's nothing new. The continued denial of its users to the reality of its death neither hurts nor helps MorphOS. That damage was done years ago.

> OS4 [...] was badly injured when Eyetech did the bait-and-switch with the Escena "AmigaONE"
> with some failed Teron board

I can't remember Eyetech's switch from Escena's non-working hardware to MAI's almost working hardware having a bad influence on OS4 or its perception. Quite to the contrary.

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AmigaOne SE reflected very, very badly on both Eyetech and HYPErion. The SE was sold literally years before OS4 ever had a beta. Both Eyetech and HYPErion were complicit in covering up ***** related to the SE. It certainly helped me open my eyes. That board was sold as having "Amiga Inc's strictest quality control", yet in reality had fatal hardware flaws.


***** you fill in the blank.

[ Edited by redrumloa 08.11.2015 - 23:03 ]

>>> OS4 [...] was badly injured when Eyetech did the bait-and-switch with the
>>> Escena "AmigaONE" with some failed Teron board

>> I can't remember Eyetech's switch from Escena's non-working hardware to MAI's almost
>> working hardware having a bad influence on OS4 or its perception. Quite to the contrary.

> AmigaOne SE reflected very, very badly on both Eyetech and HYPErion.

And how was this reflection worse than that of the non-working Escena hardware, which was not shown once even running anything? Some OS4 fans were disappointed because the switch to Teron meant no real Amiga custom boards any more. But most of them seemed to eventually applaud the switch because this allegedly meant proven hardware from the PPC Linux world, as Linux already ran on the Teron. That this turned out to be a massive delusion is a different matter.

> The SE was sold literally years before OS4 ever had a beta.

This depends on what you think a beta of OS4 is, I guess. It was 1.5 years from the AmigaOne SE to the release of the first OS4 developer pre-release.