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Hmm... If there is truth to that statement then the MorphOS Team should issue a statement quickly, so people like Jim aren't suckered into buying an X5000 or Cyrus board early which will not see a MorphOS release.

> The "OS4 Tax" concern [...] has been part of the discussion since MorphOS
> was announced for the Cyrus.

It's even older:

X1000: http://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7001&start=61
Sam4x0: http://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=6918&start=86

> *IF* full MorphOS support arrives

Would this include multicore support?

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Old truth in MorphOS land: Don't buy dedicated hardware until MorphOS for it is actually released!


[ Editiert durch Zylesea 10.10.2016 - 02:14 ]

> Hyperion ported OS4 to the Pegasos 2 in 2006 and then sat on it
> for years until Genesi had stopped selling them

Actually, Genesi stopped selling them in 2006.

> people actually *saw* OS4 running on the Peg2 and had posted screenshots

Any links?

> Hyperion (or Amikit?)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmiKit ;-)

> wanted Cyrus, back in the day, to be exclusive, and Trevor wanted everything on it.

Why should AmigaKit have anything against MorphOS on the X5000/Cyrus? And why should the MorphOS team care about what Hyperion wants, especially when Trevor endorses MorphOS on his hardware?

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I purchased the first system I ran MorphOS on, an QuickSilver PowerMac, months before support was introduced for it.
I purchased my first G5 under similar conditions.
MorphOS support for the X5000 has been announced.
When have our developers EVER promised something they didn't deliver?

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I'm not anticipating multicore support for MorphOS on PPC. That's an odd question, why do you bring it up? Are you suggesting the MorphOS Team is working on SMP for PPC?

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Its never been mentioned.
The best we can probably hope for is something that uses high memory (above 2GB) or some kind of ASMP.

>>> *IF* full MorphOS support arrives

>> Would this include multicore support?

> That's an odd question, why do you bring it up?

Because there are people who have been saying OS4 doesn't fully support the X1000/Nemo as long as the 2nd CPU core is unused.

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Well I wouldn't say that, except maybe to point out the false advertising my certain people connected with HYPErion. I'm firmly in the camp who believes the competent developers (AKA MorphOS team) who state this is impossible without breaking backwards compatibility.

Speaking of Hermans, how many years has it been since he proclaimed in the forums it was not only possibly to implement SMP in OS4, but it wouldn't take a year? Has it been 6-7 years? I'm sure you have it bookmarked

I'm not sure they said it was impossible.
Rather that it wouldn't work in the same box.
But that does not preclude wrapping Abox with an even more powerful system.

However...that isn't happening (and to the best of my knowledge what they are considering for OS4 won't be anywhere near that ambitious).
What our developers are planning is stepping away from complete legacy compatibility (to a new ISA) in order to actually implement the things the other camp has been promising without the issues they will have to face.

> Speaking of Hermans, how many years has it been since he proclaimed
> in the forums it was not only possibly to implement SMP in OS4, but
> it wouldn't take a year? Has it been 6-7 years?

It was 5 years ago that he said it wouldn't take 2 years.

http://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7183&start=336

> I'm sure you have it bookmarked :-D

I don't, but it's easy to find again :-)

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Thanks!

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Yeah, you got me there. Honestly it's AmigaOS 4 with MorphOS skin I'm testing for over a year now :P

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Wiktor, this guy is going to take you seriously, you know that don't you? ;)
I like tweaking crazy people as much as the next guy, but...

I remember when I moved to a town in the South Wales valleys as a kid. There was a mentally impaired guy that always wore a Liverpool FC shirt, scarf and bobble hat. Some of the local kids had worked out that if they shouted Man United once, he'd go on a long rant about how shit Man United were.

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I kinda like the comparison of OS4 to Liverpool FC :)

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Say, you didn't have to make outside-warranty alterations to the board or anything did you?

[ Edited by KennyR 11.10.2016 - 00:28 ]

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True, but at least it won't be beyond you forever.

Caveat emptor, as they say.

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4th in the premier league may be up-playing OS4 a little but if that's how you see it, which operating systems do you feel equate to Man City, Tottenham and Arsenal?

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I find myself wondering how you managed to tell him apart from all the other Welshmen.

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I don't think the responsibility rests with the MorphOS team to stop people buying hardware that, for one reason or another, won't support an official MorphOS release. It's up to people like Jim to wait until there is an official MorphOS release on it before buying one.

$1500 is a lot of money to waste on a leap of faith, and "It won't run the OS I wanted" isn't a valid warranty claim, especially as the seller make absolutely no claims as to running it.

So, people have figured out that there is no practical reason why MorphOS wouldn't run on X5000, it clearly does. There isn't a legal leg to stand on not running MorphOS on X5000, as even in 2016 you can still run anything you want on a computer. Or, wait, can you? I have a theory. Let's see how it pans out.

This post was edited by a moderator.

Reason for editing: A 120+ word comment filled with personal insults towards another forum member is completely unacceptable. The F-word, which was later edited by the author himself, was nowhere near being as offending as any of the other content. (ASiegel)

The "f-word" was never used.
If Andre wants to pretend that it was, that's his concern (since the only time I have ever used that word in relation to this forum was in a direct PM to Andre himself).

But as far as the other content, I stand by it.

Clearly the poster has under the impression that he has secret information no one else has, and that would appear to be delusional.

So, why doesn't he put up or shut up?

[ Edited by Jim 11.10.2016 - 05:51 ]

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Yes and no. Technically yes, but if things went sour and a hardware partner is either acting in bad faith or for some other reason will block support, it would behoove them to let their userbase know. The MOS team has been pretty open that the X5000/Cyrus is a target platform. If this has changed, don't drive sales to the competition.

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Please note that MorphOS was publicly demonstrated running on an A-Eon X5000 at the Amiga 30 event in Neuss, Germany. Where do you think the developers got the required development hardware from more than a year before retail deliveries finally started?

I was there at Neuss, I can confirm that there was indeed a working beta of MorphOS running on a X5000 there. The developers there confirmed it as well.

I took a picture of it and uploaded it to Wikimedia.

MorphOS_beta_on_X5000.jpg

Is this proof enough?