Archive : : IRC session with Bill Buck of Genesi
Posted By: amigaguy. on 2007/5/30 14:24:26
Bill Buck has agreed to join an IRC session on the 3rd of June to answer some of the questions you might have.

Visit amigaweb.net for more info on the time and place.
 
  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Velcro_SP
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    I'll be traveling and not able to log on. Can someone ask:

    1) How can Efika support two IDE devices?
    2) Are there any plans or partners for an iTunes-style music/video shop for Efika, and can MorphOS fit into those plans?
  • »2007/5/31 8:25
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    MorphDelf
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    I will do, since I am a part of the #amiga crew. If someone got any more questions, put them here.

    Regards,
    Michal
  • »2007/5/31 10:40
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    SoundSquare
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    BBRV and Genesi already communicate a lot on www.powerdeveloper.org and on their blog so i have no questions in mind.

    an IRC session with key members of the MOS team would be more useful for the morphos community.

    [ Edited by SoundSquare On 2007/5/31 19:43 ]
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Agreed!  :-)
  • »2007/5/31 17:35
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    hooligan
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    Quote:

    an IRC session with key members of the MOS team would be more useful for the morphos community.


    whats stopping you ... #morphos  :-?
    www.mikseri.net/hooligan <- Free music
  • »2007/6/1 4:54
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    jacadcaps
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    Quote:

    an IRC session with key members of the MOS team would be more useful for the morphos community


    I'm sure we would happily ignore most of the questions :) Give us some more time folks. We're almost there.
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    Quote:

    an IRC session with key members of the MOS team would be more useful for the morphos community.


    Quote:

    whats stopping you ... #morphos :-?


    Yeah, and all some of the MOS team would do is to give sarcastic answers and tell us to buy additional pieces of equipment.
  • »2007/6/1 8:15
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    And how would the situation be any different in case there was an organized "session"? :-)
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    SoundSquare
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    Quote:

    1) How can Efika support two IDE devices?


    this has been discussed a billion times, but as there seems to be some stubborn ones around here are some words from Matt Sealey (Neko) :

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    I'll repeat this again, we will not endorse and probably not treat you very nice if you extend the Efika IDE port with a cable.

    It's not supported, there is a trace length restriction because of the way the port is multiplexed with other devices.

    This is just how the MPC5200B works. No bridging connector or cable is going to get you a reliable ATA operation even if you connect it up right, and it may even make PCI and other bus functions act strangely.

    The connector is like that for a HARDWARE REASON, not because we decided to screw with you all and restrict your options.
  • »2007/6/2 7:14
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    The session will take place on:

    Sunday, 24th of June, CEST 20:00 / 6:00 PM GMT (http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com)

    (This new date was selected because BBRV are traveling to Europe on the day previously selected. Because of other scheduled IRC events, the meeting has been delayed for a while. Not to worry though, we will post a reminder here a few days before the meeting.)
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    thanks SoundSquare for the report but this:

    "I'll repeat this again, we will not endorse and probably not treat you very nice if you extend the Efika IDE port with a cable." from Neko, is not a new thing.

    tell me a single time he did treat people in a "very nice way" ;-)
  • »2007/6/3 8:46
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    To clarify some more on the repeat of my post (I am simply frustrated answering the very same question hundreds of hundreds of times), the Efika can support two IDE devices - the interface is ATA-4 compliant after all and can support a master and a slave.

    You can use the Addonics CFIDE adapter which allows two CompactFlash cards.

    You could install some very special SATA bridging hardware as long as it connected directly to the port (this hardware does not exist, however).

    However cables are not supported. Damaging your board by using cables, extenders and other weird things may void your warranty - the same way plugging in PCI cards backwards voids your warranty.

    Nobody at Genesi or bplan will be too pleased to find out you are doing strange things with the hardware, and nobody at Genesi or bplan will be prepared to support your strange configurations when they have been repeated over and over as not supported and not endorsed and not recommended.

    Framiga, if you have a problem with the way I worded this, I suggest you step back and consider how bad you look bringing personal insults on my character into this. You are certainly not any "better" in this light. I do not appreciate it.
    Matt Sealey, Genesi USA, Inc.
    Developer Relations
    Product Development Analyst
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    personal insult? if you don't appreciate the truth, its your fault not mine! your not new to that "harsh" reply and sorry but you never hear some uneducated reply from me .... never.
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    Quote:

    personal insult? if you don't appreciate the truth, its your fault not mine! your not new to that "harsh" reply and sorry but you never hear some uneducated reply from me .... never.

    But then you're not Matt, you aren't in his shoes, it's not even worth comparing.. you're perhaps a more tap in the back guy, where Matt is more cut the bull.

    Uneducated replies, as you call them, can be very much effective answers, as they leave one more free time instead of dwelling with minor stuff.
    pixie - writing from a paradise called Portugal
  • »2007/6/3 11:38
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Quote:

    (I am simply frustrated answering the very same question hundreds of hundreds of times), the Efika can support two IDE devices - the interface is ATA-4 compliant after all and can support a master and a slave.


    Neko, maybe you are exaggerating just a tiny bit about "hundreds and hundreds of times."

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    You can use the Addonics CFIDE adapter which allows two CompactFlash cards... However cables are not supported...


    What?! I have never even used an IDE device that didn't have a cable! I understand the hard-drive fits onto the Efika without a cable, but still... I appreciate having the comments of the developer relations manager, but could we get an explanation on this from one of the hardware engineers, to give us some texture on why this cable condition exists?

    If cables could be used there would be some interesting possibilities, because there are devices besides static memory cards that use the CompactFlash connector. Like SVGA and XGA hardware. I guess you referred to this. Here is an XGA device and here an SVGA one.

    Sure, there might be technical difficulties in actually using things like those on the Efika, and drivers would have to be written, but it's interesting to muse about the theoretical possibilities. If a cable could be used and the video were run through the CompactFlash connector from the IDE port it would free up the PCI port.

    Now here is what BBRV posted a couple months or so ago: "Here is the word from Gerald: DVD works. MorphOS works. Freescale loves it." So was Gerald talking about a USB DVD?
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