@BSzili

Just compiled your latest change : Wazp3D still not workking with Wipeout and others....

Alain Thellier

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I ve heard MOS 4.6 will have SAM460ex support AND Radeon4000HD driver.
Nice and I am really waiting just for it

Should I be AmigaOS happy with 2D driver or MorphOS happy with GOA, REGGAE and yes W3D ...

> I ve heard MOS 4.6 will have SAM460ex support AND Radeon4000HD driver.

I hope this will already come with 3.6 ;-)

> MorphOS [...] with GOA

Goa3D doesn't and won't work on Radeon R300 and beyond.

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Ah, nice whowoff I am ex-AmigaOS user Well, it will not come with AOS 4.1.6
either, so yes, all bets on MorphOS 3.6

But looking forward to experience MOS 4.6 as well.

P.S. Will it mean just 4000/4200HD model, or some wider varity based
on same chips?

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Doesn`t is enough, please no won`t work ... is there some serious
reasons since chips should be kind of backward compatibile?

[ Edited by vox 16.01.2014 - 11:35 ]

>>> I ve heard MOS 4.6 will have SAM460ex support AND Radeon4000HD driver.

>> I hope this will already come with 3.6 ;-)

> it will not come with AOS 4.1.6 either

AmigaOS 4.1.6 has been released more than a year ago. And OS4 has Sam460ex support and a 2D driver for Radeon R700 for 3 years.

> looking forward to experience MOS 4.6 as well.

Has there anything in particular been announced for this?

> Will it mean just 4000/4200HD model, or some wider varity based on same chips?

As you know, "R700 support" was the statement that was reportedly given on the Pianeta Amiga show last year. AFAIK, there is no HD4000 model, and HD42x0 models are R600-based. So I guess it should be HD43x0 models and above, but I have no inside knowledge whatsoever, only what has been stated in public for everybody to read upon.

>> Goa3D doesn't and won't work on Radeon R300 and beyond.

> please no won`t work ...

The MorphOS Team made it pretty clear that there will be no Rave3D for R300 and up, so no Goa3D (which relies on Rave3D) either. But as soon as Wazp3D will run hardware-accelerated via TinyGL, you won't need Goa3D anyway.

> is there some serious reasons since chips should be kind of backward compatibile?

It's been explained there by a MorphOS Team member:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=9256&forum=49&start=4

No one can say when the SAM460 port will be ready, and an HD4XXX driver has not been mentioned.
It is not impossible, but the original work centered around the use of an X1300 video card.

If things remain evolutionary, we should see an R400 driver (for support of the X800XT video card in G5 Power macs), and eventually an R500 driver (for X1300 video cards in the SAM460 and for later support of the X1900GT).

Who is to say what 3.6 will include?
Until its released, unless its mentioned prior to that release, its all speculation.

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At every new generation, Radeon chips are not "backward compatible" with their ancestors.

> No one can say when the SAM460 port will be ready

There're estimates by the developers at least:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=11&topic_id=8931&start=106

> an HD4XXX driver has not been mentioned.

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=38&topic_id=9764&start=30

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Software based rendering is NOT a solution.

Every new generation of Radeons is NOT backward compatibile? Phew, AMD doesn`t know how to do the job.

Please let me know when things go official about this project NAOMO and things speed up. I am really waiting just for it.

I can buy X1550 LP card if really necessary.

If you are referring to Wazp3D, it has an OpenGL backend too.

>> There're estimates by the developers at least:
>> https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=11&topic_id=8931&start=106
>>> [...]
>> https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=38&topic_id=9764&start=30

> Software based rendering is NOT a solution.

Where did I say anything about software rendering in what you quoted from me?

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If you want to slow down technological progress then backward compability is the way to go. The Amiga in general is a good example.

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No, I dislike Windows being incompatibile with Windows.
Linux keeps the tradition.

But I do acknowledge at least sandboxing (virtual boxes, emulators) should
be included if full compatibility isn`t possible.

Also, OS can grow in many other ways then just breaking the comaptibility.

Its way of making money too - look how Windows FORCES people not only to buy new hardware but new software. If I am satisfied with legal copy of Photoshop 6.x I expect it to run at least emulated. MorphOS should keep that tradition.

>> we'll see when Wipeout 2097 is up and running with Wazp3D.

> Wazp3D still not workking with Wipeout and others....

"I now have Wipeout 2097 running with Wazp3D on MorphOS."
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=775361

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>>> we'll see when Wipeout 2097 is up and running with Wazp3D.

>> Wazp3D still not workking with Wipeout and others....

> "I now have Wipeout 2097 running with Wazp3D on MorphOS."
> http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=775361

"Wazp3D 56 [...] will appear on Aminet soon [...] This version Allow hardware rendering for morphos/warpos progs : mainly WipeOut2097 (yeeeess) and the demos from "Encore""
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=775580

Now there:

"Beta 56 [...]: With a BIG help from Szilárd 'BSzili' Biró the WarpOS version works now :-) [...] So now Wazp3D-morphos got soft & hard rendering (based on hard TinyGL)
1) Old 68k OS3 progs works
2) WOS ppc progs works (WipeOut2097!!!, BlitzQuake)
3) New ppc OS4 progs dont works because OS4emu dont support Warp3D v5 (the OS4 one used for MiniGL progs). But some rare OS4 ppc demos just based on OS3 sources may works"
http://aminet.net/package/driver/video/Wazp3D

Screenshot of WipEout 2097 running on R300 with Wazp3D:
http://scontent-a.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/10735342_713050585455104_663802731_n.jpg

Video of WipEout 2097 running on R300 with Wazp3D:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBZMyNrAnKA

[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 18.12.2014 - 18:08 ]