OK, I had to hunt for awhile, but I found a Silicon Image Sil3112 based 2 port SATA controler card that will boot in a Mac.
Its kind of rare, but they are available.

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ratocsystems.com%2Fproducts%2Fsubpage%2Fps30x.html%2305&act=url

According to Sonnet, this one is still available:

http://store1.sonnettech.com/product_info.php?products_id=105

My QS has the following:
-CF-adaptor with small card containing the boot.img and an emerceny system
-el cheapo 3112 card (<10Euro))
-RDB-partioned 500GB-SSD-Hybrid drive

Couldn't care less about booting from SATA as that would force me to put a Mac-partition-table on it (to what gain ? there is plenty space in the QS)

Well, it doesn't help if you plan to create a Dual/Tripleboot setup on a single SATA drive.

I guess 3512 are easier to find, bought mine just a month ago (verkkokauppa.com in Finland - product details say 3112, but their card is 3512) and flashed with: http://www.wiebetech.com/webtech.php?sfid=133&pcode=TC-PCI
Boots fine to MacOS X but MorphOS does not boot if the card is installed (flashed with Mac bios or not... I just have a grey screen and can do ctrl-Amiga-Amiga reset from keyboard)

analogkid,
Quote:

Sonnet support 4/6:

"The TSATA board is built around the Firmtek 1S2 sata chipset."

So the TSATA won't work under MorphOS (when 3.0 is released).

Motosampy's post is more disturbing. It won't boot eh?
Could this be a problem related to the fact that the drivers are present, but don't function in a Mac?
And might this be fixed in 3.0?
I need to look into that card and I'm impressed with your modification. We've got some real hackers here.

Also, I understand your point Kronos. I don't currently have an OSX partition in my system either.
But to make use of the Sonnet Tempo Serial ATA X4 eSATA card I just bought, I'm going to need to install one (that controller isn't supported by MorphOS either)


[ Edited by Jim 08.04.2012 - 17:53 ]

@ Motosampy & Kronos,

The only Sil3512 based PCI cards I can find are four drive controllers.
Aren't we limited to two drive controllers?

Quote http://www.morphos-team.net/hardware

"SATA Adapter

SiI3x1x two-port cards"

Edit - Sorry, I found two channel versions. If they can be modded with the firmware mentioned, these will be quite cheap. Great work Moto!

[ Edited by Jim 08.04.2012 - 19:08 ]

@Jim

>Could this be a problem related to the fact that the drivers are present, but don't function in a Mac?

I don't know, but MorphOS won't boot from IDE HD nor from CD if the card is installed in the computer (even without any devices connected to it)... OS shouldn't halt booting just because a pice of HW without driver is found in the system.... My guess is that there is some bug SIL3x1x kernel module or in my HW.

Please, do share your experience when you get your card installed.

Btw, just remembered that I was not able to flash the card im my MDD, just got some error message, but at work with my G5 flashing succeeded right away without any problems and the card was recognised in my MDD by OF.

[ Edited by Motosampy 08.04.2012 - 22:34 ]

Thanks Moto,
That's some seriously good work you did there.
I've found one card that looks really attractive that has one internal port and another eSATA port.
I might go with that.
And I should be able to do the firmware flashing in a PC, so I can get that done.
Lets hope that 3.0 helps take care of the boot problem.

You've been a real asset. Thanks again.

Jim,
Quote:

I don't know where you got this, but the Sonnet Tempo PCI card clearly has a SiI 3112 chipset...

@Motosampy

Just tried booting from the 2.7CD and MorphOS does indeed fail at an early state when the SATA card is installed.

Now remember that there IS a driver present, it's just not working correctly (it does work in Pegasos). My guess is that the driver just crashes badly when such HW is found in PMacs.

analogkid,
Quote:

The quote I gave you was directly from Sonnet support.
The Sonnet Tempo card is also known as the TSATA.
And according to Sonnet:

"The TSATA board is built around the Firmtek 1S2 sata chipset."

Kronos,
Quote:

Thank you for checking that Kronos.
So, can we assume this will change in v3.0?

Purchased SIL3512 based 2 drive SATA controller on Ebay for $12.99.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/130677567685?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

Thanks again for the tip Moto (and for the info Kronos).

> SIL3512

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7584&start=25

;-)

I don't get the reference.
Could you point me to a single post?

> I don't get the reference.

No problem, it's not that important.

> Could you point me to a single post?

It should be the topmost one, provided you use the default sort order. Unfortunately, I can't point you to one single post as bugged MorphZone prevents me from doing so.

Ah, got it.
Can't wait to see how this is all going to work under 3.0.

Off topic, but AmigaDave and I have both purchased single 1.25 GHz processor cards for our FW800s.

If we can find the correct information we are going to try to change the multiplier and voltage settings to get them to run at 1.5 GHz (different then the dual processor cards) With the copper coolers from the dual 1.42 processor cards, these should be fairly reliable (and who needs two processors for MorphOS).

Oh, and on using the Silcon Image controller, I've got my eye on two 10,000 rpm 150GB WD Raptors with 16MB caches to go with it.

The only thing that worries me is that the max bandwidth of a PCI connection may bottleneck such a set up.
Even if it does slightly, it should still prove to be a big improvement over the Quicksilver's ATA66 controller,

[ Edited by Jim 14.04.2012 - 19:22 ]

@Jim

Sounds noisy


And surely slower than my 500GB Seagate on any reallife tests

But compared to ATA66 any rotten old SATA-HD will make you see the lights

Hybrid drive, Kronos?

Someone's going to come along and post that their SSD is faster then either of our solutions.

And I've been using 10,000 RPM Ultra320 SCSI drives for a little while and they are not much louder then a standard 7,200RPM ATA100 drives.
So how loud can the Raptors be?

I think I read all the posts in this thread, but just to be sure I understood all of them, I am going to ask this question, which may seem to be a stupid question.

Are there any SATA controllers which can be installed in a G4 PowerMac that will still allow MorphOS2.7 to boot, either from the SATA controller connected hard drive, or SSD, or if not from the SATA controller, can MorphOS still boot from one of the IDE controllers of the PowerMac?

From what I have read in this thread, it appears that MorphOS cannot boot if any of these Mac supported SATA PCI cards are even installed in the G4 PowerMac, but they do work if installed in a Pegasos1, or Pegasos2. Is this correct?

Also, it appears that Jim is using a PCI SCSI card to use SCSI2, or SCSI3 drives for MorphOS. Is this correct? I have a box of 80pin SCSI drives that I would like to use in any of my computers, which are supposedly fast drives. I purchased them with the intent to use as NewTek Video Toaster/Flyer video editing drives, but have not yet taken the time to swap them with my existing 9gb drives in my external SCSI towers.

Can someone summarize this thread and explain what PCI controller cards and hard drives, or SSD's, can currently be used in any of the G4 PowerMacs for running MorphOS2.7?

[ Edited by amigadave 14.04.2012 - 13:30 ]

I a word, you can't use either SATA controllers or SCSI controllers with MorphOS 2.7 in a Powermac (just in Pegasos computers).

You can boot OSX with an unsupported (by MorphOS) controller of either type.

What Kronos and Moto have pointed to is that since there is a driver for the SIL3X1X SATA controllers in MorphOS 2.7 (that works fine in a Peg), the presence of this controller in a Powermac (which it isn't supported in yet) prevents the machine from booting.

I actually have an SCSI2 controller (with Mac compatible firmware) that isn't supported by MorphOS hooked to an external SCSI drive that I can power up or leave off. This makes foe a convenient way to dual boot.

However, I'm already planning to replace this set up with the SIL3512 card I just acquired when MorphOS 3.0 is released. As I can't access the SCSI drives under MorphOS, this will be a big improvement for me.

And I'll just move the SCSI drives to one of my PCs. They make great backup drives (really fast backup).

SCSI while not completely dead, has been supplanted by SAS anyway. And SATA offers us much of the same benefits with easier to get, cheaper components.

> Ah, got it.

Doesn't seem so :-)

Andreas_Wolf,
Quote:

SiI, got it.

> SiI, got it.

Finally :-)