MorphOS 2.8 confirmed features
  • MorphOS Developer
    geit
    Posts: 988 from 2004/9/23
    Andreas_Wolf,
    Quote:

    What's that statement if not a confirmation of PowerBook G4 support in MorphOS 2.8?


    It has been confirmed several times IRL before, so no news at all.

    Geit

    PS. but this is still no guarantee that it will be in. Other features have been dropped/delayed before, too

    [ Edited by geit 03.08.2011 - 19:12 ]
  • »03.08.11 - 18:06
    Profile
  • Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11630 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > It has been confirmed several times IRL before, so no news at all.

    Of course it's no news to those who already knew it. But it's news to me at least and I guess to most other members of MorphZone as well. So thanks for eventually breaking the news in non-RL ;-) And I ask again as you apparently overlooked my question: Will it come with R300 3D drivers? :-)
    And btw, at least until 2 weeks ago it must have been a secret still as seen in jacadcaps' reaction.
  • »03.08.11 - 18:14
    Profile
  • Paladin of the Pegasos
    Paladin of the Pegasos
    pampers
    Posts: 1061 from 2009/2/26
    From: Tczew, Poland
    Andres I cannot imagine that MorphOS Team will be releasing their system to the new hardware without supporting basic stuff like 3D drivers like for example Acube and Hyperion did with Sam460. It's not Team's style.
    I can imagine that there won't be wifi support but for others it can be basic stuff as well.

    Anyway, looking forward for a new version and even if it's paid upgrade I cannot care less :)

    Edit: typos

    [ Edited by pampers 03.08.2011 - 20:04 ]
    MorphOS 3.x
  • »03.08.11 - 20:02
    Profile Visit Website
  • Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11630 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > I cannot imagine that MorphOS Team will be releasing their
    > system to the new hardware without supporting basic stuff
    > like 3D drivers

    Yes, I'm also of the opinion that releasing it without R300 3D drivers would be a no-go. Last year in Bad Bramstedt it was said that PowerBook support won't come without R300 3D drivers. The reason I ask is just that this decision *might* have changed in the meantime. After all, getting confirmation by MorphOS Team members is the objective of this thread, hence my question to geit. And as you can see for instance by reading what amigadave wrote, there're people who don't seem to consider 3D support to be "basic stuff", calling MorphOS without that feature "fairly complete" nonetheless.

    > like for example Acube and Hyperion did with Sam460.

    You can put a 3D supported Radeon in the Sam460's PCI slot ;-)

    > It's not Team's style.

    Yes, I very much hope so.

    > I can imagine that there won't be wifi support

    Yes, as they said that lack of wireless support won't hold back the release for PowerBook I don't expect it to be in. If it'll be, the better.

    > for others it can be basic stuff as well.

    Absolutely. I can imagine that when it comes to mobile computing many people would consider wireless support more important than 3D support.

    > even if it's paid upgrade I cannot care less :)

    For PowerBook it will be for sure ;-) For the rest I think it won't be as the version number "2.8" seems to be confirmed and they once said that all 2.x versions won't need another license for already registered hardware.
  • »03.08.11 - 21:42
    Profile
  • Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    magnetic
    Posts: 2129 from 2003/3/1
    From: Los Angeles
    Geit

    Thanks for the clarifications. I love your avatar btw brings me back...

    Kind of dissapointing though this update as really all we get is somewhat improved 3d (big deal whne there is not much 3d games or apps) no PB support, no major OS changes.

    DVD/CD writing is cool, and there seems to be nice stuff for pmac owners.. but other than that boorrring.l.... :) i'm still grateful though. I sure do wish for the development speed back in 2002. Now with real life jobs and things, morphos is going slow


    Why dont we get radical and redesign amibient to make it a true 3d interface a la Sun's "Project Looking glass" ?

    What about an Expose like window management system?

    What happened to native Arexxx is CISC not part of the efforts anymore?

    I'm sure R300 is in alpha at least by now why not release it?

    instead of focusing on additional hw support why not start working on important port projects, or taking on old projects and brining them back (payprus for example)
    Pegasos 2 Rev 2B3 w/ Freescale 7447 "G4" @ 1ghz / 1gb Nanya Ram
    Quad Boot: MorphOS 2.7 | Amiga OS4.1 U4 | Ubuntu PPC GNU/Linux | OS X 10.4
  • »03.08.11 - 22:46
    Profile Visit Website
  • Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11630 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > Thanks for the clarifications. [...] no PB support

    Maybe my English skills are lacking but I read geit's statement as more like saying the opposite.

    > What happened to native Arexxx

    For existing ARexx scripts this might become a solution:

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7711&forum=12

    For new scripts on the other hand the solution could be this:

    https://morph.zone/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1870

    > payprus

    This might play a role:

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=32&topic_id=7039&start=37
  • »03.08.11 - 23:12
    Profile
  • Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    magnetic
    Posts: 2129 from 2003/3/1
    From: Los Angeles
    Andreas
    I think it is your english as "confirmed NOT to include" is pretty clear.
    Pegasos 2 Rev 2B3 w/ Freescale 7447 "G4" @ 1ghz / 1gb Nanya Ram
    Quad Boot: MorphOS 2.7 | Amiga OS4.1 U4 | Ubuntu PPC GNU/Linux | OS X 10.4
  • »03.08.11 - 23:35
    Profile Visit Website
  • Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11630 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > I think it is your english

    Let's see.

    > "confirmed NOT to include" is pretty clear.

    Where can this phrase be found in geit's clarifications you thanked him for? In geit's statement, which is what I'm referring to and which was written 31 hours after the phrase you just quoted from Jupp3, I read regarding PowerBook support in MorphOS 2.8:

    "It has been confirmed several times IRL before, so no news at all."

    Maybe you could please paraphrase this statement for me as it seems it's too demanding for my poor English skills?
  • »03.08.11 - 23:44
    Profile
  • Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    magnetic
    Posts: 2129 from 2003/3/1
    From: Los Angeles
    andreas you dimwit post stalker I was referring to the OP's post. Read it again robot.
    Pegasos 2 Rev 2B3 w/ Freescale 7447 "G4" @ 1ghz / 1gb Nanya Ram
    Quad Boot: MorphOS 2.7 | Amiga OS4.1 U4 | Ubuntu PPC GNU/Linux | OS X 10.4
  • »03.08.11 - 23:46
    Profile Visit Website
  • Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    Zylesea
    Posts: 2031 from 2003/6/4
    Magnetic, in this case Andreas is pretty right. You thanked Geit on the beginning of your post, which most ppl are likely to understand that you replied to geit. And geit just confirmed (more or less) that pb support will come in 2.8.

    Anyway, no need for all the fuzz. It is not there yet and we|ll se what|s inside once it got released.

    btw. looking glass, while I was pretty impressed when i saw that demo quite some years ago for teh first time, I don|t think it is handy. I like the classic 2d approach. I guess a 3d desktop gets easily into a mess. Albeit a fancy mess ;-)

    Some Exposé-like feature I of yourse would welcome, too, but then again ther is the rmb click on the depth-gadget which offers you a list of all open windows and let you chose an window from the list. Not as nice as Expos, but okay.
    --
    http://www.via-altera.de

    Whenever you're sad just remember the world is 4.543 billion years old and you somehow managed to exist at the same time as David Bowie.
    ...and Matthias , my friend - RIP
  • »04.08.11 - 00:00
    Profile Visit Website
  • Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11630 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > andreas you dimwit post stalker

    You know very well that I don't mind your foul language. Only makes you look bad. And maybe you should follow my example and "stalk" posts some more in order for you to grasp what they actually say.

    > I was referring to the OP's post.

    Ah, that must be the reason you explicitly addressed geit when you wrote "Thanks for the clarifications". Makes sense. And that also explains why you replied to me saying "I read geit's statement as more like saying the opposite" with a quote from Jupp3 who we all know must be geit's sock puppet account.

    > Read it again robot.

    I did, schizo. And now?
  • »04.08.11 - 00:00
    Profile
  • Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    magnetic
    Posts: 2129 from 2003/3/1
    From: Los Angeles
    Andreas

    Unlike you i'm able to admit i'm wrong. And i'm glad I am.

    BTW did you ever take my advice and actually go outside and get some air, and maybe perhaps talk to a girl or even touch one?

    but wait robots are asexual no?
    Pegasos 2 Rev 2B3 w/ Freescale 7447 "G4" @ 1ghz / 1gb Nanya Ram
    Quad Boot: MorphOS 2.7 | Amiga OS4.1 U4 | Ubuntu PPC GNU/Linux | OS X 10.4
  • »04.08.11 - 00:40
    Profile Visit Website
  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    Stevo
    Posts: 862 from 2004/1/24
    From: #AmigaZeux
    @magnetic

    Dude, really? You need to chill out. Bigtime. And stop trolling aw.net :-D

    edit: on topic, what about that MorphED replacement? Kinda expected it to be in the new SDK :-)

    [ Edited by Stevo 04.08.2011 - 01:57 ]
    ---
    http://www.iki.fi/sintonen/logs/its_only_football.txt
  • »04.08.11 - 00:54
    Profile
  • Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11630 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > Unlike you i'm able to admit i'm wrong.

    Where did you admit you were wrong? Did that posting get lost somehow?

    > And i'm glad I am.

    I'm glad as well that you've been wrong, else it would have been me ;-)

    > did you ever take my advice and actually go outside and
    > get some air, and maybe perhaps talk to a girl or even
    > touch one?

    Sorry, I'm not going to discuss my private life with you, not even via PM. So I'm afraid you have to get your sexual arousal elsewhere.

    > but wait robots are asexual no?

    I think they're as asexual as schizos :-P
  • »04.08.11 - 00:59
    Profile
  • Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    magnetic
    Posts: 2129 from 2003/3/1
    From: Los Angeles
    I suggest you look up the word schizophrenia my friend. And thank the good Lord above I dont know about your "sexuality" - if you call getting in online pron sessions in between spam posting mz and playing Knights and Merchants a sex life,..., :lol: Enough OT garbage and spamming...

    back to the topic.
    Pegasos 2 Rev 2B3 w/ Freescale 7447 "G4" @ 1ghz / 1gb Nanya Ram
    Quad Boot: MorphOS 2.7 | Amiga OS4.1 U4 | Ubuntu PPC GNU/Linux | OS X 10.4
  • »04.08.11 - 01:11
    Profile Visit Website
  • Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11630 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > I suggest you look up the word schizophrenia

    I'll do after you do same with the word 'robot'. I think that's a fair deal, isn't it?

    > thank the good Lord above I dont know about your "sexuality"

    Well, while I don't believe in any Lord above I find it strange that you want to know about me "touching a girl" only to declare directly after that you don't want to know about my sexuality. Makes me wonder about that word you say I should look up again.

    > if you call getting in online pron sessions in between
    > spam posting mz and playing Knights and Merchants a sex life

    You talked about me "touching a girl", remember? Or is it Alzheimer's now? Btw, I never ever played K&M in my life ;-)

    > Enough OT garbage and spamming...

    I have some doubts that you can actually stop producing that :-)

    P.S. Where was it again that you admitted you were wrong? That posting is still not online it seems.
  • »04.08.11 - 01:24
    Profile
  • Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    amigadave
    Posts: 2793 from 2006/3/21
    From: Northern Calif...
    I can see that nothing has changed here (or on any of the other Amiga related forum sites) while I was gone, working in Hawaii for the past 4-1/2 weeks with no Internet connection (and no TV).
    MorphOS - The best Next Gen Amiga choice.
  • »04.08.11 - 05:30
    Profile
  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    stephen_robinson
    Posts: 745 from 2007/4/22
    Ladies, can't the two of you get a room and get rid of all this tension is an appropriate and healthy manner?
  • »04.08.11 - 08:10
    Profile
  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    boot_wb
    Posts: 874 from 2007/4/9
    From: Kingston upon ...
    stephen_robinson,

    +1
    www.hullchimneyservices.co.uk

    UI: Powerbook 5,6 (1.67GHz, 128MB VRam): OS3.1, OSX 10.5.8
    HTPC: Mac Mini G4 (1,5GHz, 64MB VRam): OS3.1 (ZVNC)
    Audiophile: Efika 5200b (SB Audigy): OS3.1 (VNC + Virtual Monitor)

    Windows free since 2011!
  • »04.08.11 - 09:11
    Profile Visit Website
  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    Simon
    Posts: 809 from 2008/7/6
    From: Antwerp, Belgium
    Should we call the kindergarten cop ?
    Proud member of the Belgian Amiga Club since 2003

  • »04.08.11 - 10:24
    Profile Visit Website
  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    Crumb
    Posts: 730 from 2003/2/24
    From: aGaS & CUAZ Al...
    @magnetic

    Quote:

    but wait robots are asexual no?


    wrong
  • »04.08.11 - 13:50
    Profile Visit Website
  • Jim
  • Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    Jim
    Posts: 4967 from 2009/1/28
    From: Delaware, USA
    Asexual robots and Andreas' personal life, wow this thread is deteriorating.
    On the other hand, PB support in 2.8 is a welcome feature and I'll finally be able to use an R300 in my Quicksilver (hopefully).

    SCSI, SATA, and Powerbooks - Very Cool!
    "Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
  • »06.08.11 - 01:48
    Profile
  • Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    magnetic
    Posts: 2129 from 2003/3/1
    From: Los Angeles
    Jim

    Yeah 2.8 is great for mac hw users lol... I'd rather see more OS features and ports (java, flash, cairo hw accel, office apps, etc etc)

    the thread deteriorates when a certain individual has taken a rivalry against me and post stalks me. Its weird cuz i've never seen a bot on mz until now.

    /me misses Guadie
    Pegasos 2 Rev 2B3 w/ Freescale 7447 "G4" @ 1ghz / 1gb Nanya Ram
    Quad Boot: MorphOS 2.7 | Amiga OS4.1 U4 | Ubuntu PPC GNU/Linux | OS X 10.4
  • »06.08.11 - 02:50
    Profile Visit Website
  • Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11630 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > the thread deteriorates when

    ...a certain individual decided to switch off his brain and post this using the usual foul language he is well known for:

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7960&start=20

    > a certain individual has taken a rivalry against me and post stalks me.

    I guess another certain individual not only suffers from schizophrenia and Alzheimer's but also from paranoia.

    > Its weird cuz i've never seen a bot on mz until now.

    The only thing weird here is your use of the word "now" when in fact you've been talking about that alleged bot on MZ for many months.

    Btw, the posting where you admitted you were wrong is *still* not online. Maybe the mods here delete it immediately each time you desperately try to post it?
  • »06.08.11 - 03:01
    Profile
  • Caterpillar
    Caterpillar
    cheesegrate
    Posts: 35 from 2004/8/25
    From: north queensla...
    magnetics points are v valid

    surely there is enough talent in the mos dev commujnity to evolve the outdated amigaos ui.
    an expose like function is a kickass feature
  • »06.08.11 - 05:12
    Profile Visit Website