An Open Letter to Dave Haynie
  • Jim
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    Jim
    Posts: 4466 from 2009/1/28
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    >"...doing AmigaOS for PowerPC new from scratch, and completely off-the-shelf hardware..."

    Dave? Are you sure you and Andy weren't considering copying...our OS?

    Oh heck, at least that isn't doing it the dumb way (by trying to re-write the 68K source code). ;)
    "Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
  • »01.03.15 - 21:35
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    >"Heinz Wrobel [...] suggested doing AmigaOS for PowerPC new from scratch,
    > and completely off-the-shelf hardware"

    > Dave? Are you sure you and Andy weren't considering copying...our OS?

    Apart from the fact that this would've required a time machine, the suggestion was by Heinz Wrobel, not by Dave or Andy.
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  • Jim
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    >"Heinz Wrobel [...] suggested doing AmigaOS for PowerPC new from scratch,
    > and completely off-the-shelf hardware "

    > Dave? Are you sure you and Andy weren't considering copying...our OS?

    Apart from the fact that this would've required a time machine, the suggestion was by Heinz Wrobel, not by Dave or Andy.


    Heinz Wrobel...hmmm, probably could have gotten that from the document, eh, Andreas?
    No I was merely suggesting that Dave and Andy might take the suggestion seriously.

    And yes, this would have predated MorphOS.

    Still, this story does shed some light on Dave's negative reaction to us.
    "Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    >>>> "Heinz Wrobel [...] suggested doing AmigaOS for PowerPC new from scratch,
    >>>> and completely off-the-shelf hardware"

    >>> Dave? Are you sure you and Andy weren't considering copying...our OS?

    >> Apart from the fact that this would've required a time machine, the suggestion
    >> was by Heinz Wrobel, not by Dave or Andy.

    > I was merely suggesting that Dave and Andy might take the suggestion seriously.

    Considering that Dave and Heinz were not in line apparently regarding the hardware plans (custom chips "Pebbles" and "Bam-Bam" vs. completely off-the-shelf hardware), you might be jumping to conclusions assuming that Dave/Andy and Heinz were in line regarding the OS. At least from Dave's statements at hand I can't see what his stance was back then.
  • »02.03.15 - 09:22
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  • Jim
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    >>>> "Heinz Wrobel [...] suggested doing AmigaOS for PowerPC new from scratch,
    >>>> and completely off-the-shelf hardware"

    >>> Dave? Are you sure you and Andy weren't considering copying...our OS?

    >> Apart from the fact that this would've required a time machine, the suggestion
    >> was by Heinz Wrobel, not by Dave or Andy.

    > I was merely suggesting that Dave and Andy might take the suggestion seriously.

    Considering that Dave and Heinz were not in line apparently regarding the hardware plans (custom chips "Pebbles" and "Bam-Bam" vs. completely off-the-shelf hardware), you might be jumping to conclusions assuming that Dave/Andy and Heinz were in line regarding the OS. At least from Dave's statements at hand I can't see what his stance was back then.


    No Andreas, I'm not prepared to make any statement as to Haynie's past or present stance either.
    Its just interesting knowing that the options, even at this point, were similar to those we have considered (except for the custom chip options, which I guess the FPGA fanatics are now looking at now).

    In any case, it was actually kind of neat having Dave offer up this little piece of history.
    "Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
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    The original content of this post is no longer relevant and has been removed accordingly.

    [ Edited by Roland 04.04.2018 - 09:03 ]
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  • ASiegel
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    Yes.
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    KennyR
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    Isn't thread necromancy against the ToS here?

    If not, shouldn't it be?
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  • ASiegel
    Posts: 933 from 2003/2/15
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    KennyR wrote:
    If not, shouldn't it be?


    I do not think so.

    If somebody asks about an odd problem and 2 years later someone else happens to find a solution why shouldn't that person be allowed to answer in the same discussion thread?

    I get why some high-traffic forums handle this differently but I see no need with regard to MorphZone.
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