ARM for the future?
  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    Jim schrieb:
    >...the PCIe-Macs...

    I have been asking for those for a LONG time, and while I'm sure they have at least beta tested the idea for themselves, we haven't gotten them... ;-(


    They would be very welcome indeed! You can add lots of RAM, modern PCIe (graphic) cards are available cheaply and the fans run more quiet than on their AGP-counterparts. Much more convenient for dual-booting with Linux, which I like.

    But I don't count on it they will be supported soon. :-(
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    minator wrote:
    Desktop machine? slots?

    Last time I bought (well, built) a desktop machine with slots was 17 years ago!

    OTOH this laptop does have PCIe ...for the SDD drive.


    Show me an Aarch64/MIPS laptop with 4K screen and I'll buy it.
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    Intuition wrote:
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    minator wrote:
    Desktop machine? slots?

    Last time I bought (well, built) a desktop machine with slots was 17 years ago!

    OTOH this laptop does have PCIe ...for the SDD drive.


    Show me an Aarch64/MIPS laptop with 4K screen and I'll buy it.


    WELL, THAT doesn't exist...;-)

    ...Yet.

    But I do have a code to buy a Pine64 14" 64 bit ARM laptop for $99 sitting in my e-mail inbox (as of yesterday).

    Although, personally, I wouldn't buy a desktop machine without slots ;-). Do they exist?
    Or are we actually talking about laptops (which I would STILL like to have some expansion capabilities built into)?
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    > I wouldn't buy a desktop machine without slots ;-). Do they exist?

    Mac mini? iMac? (And their countless cheaper clones?)
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Jim wrote:
    Quote:

    Intuition wrote:
    Quote:

    minator wrote:
    Desktop machine? slots?

    Last time I bought (well, built) a desktop machine with slots was 17 years ago!

    OTOH this laptop does have PCIe ...for the SDD drive.


    Show me an Aarch64/MIPS laptop with 4K screen and I'll buy it.


    WELL, THAT doesn't exist...;-)

    ...Yet.

    But I do have a code to buy a Pine64 14" 64 bit ARM laptop for $99 sitting in my e-mail inbox (as of yesterday).

    Although, personally, I wouldn't buy a desktop machine without slots ;-). Do they exist?
    Or are we actually talking about laptops (which I would STILL like to have some expansion capabilities built into)?



    ATX mobo with slots to stick in a nice big tower is what I want. :)
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Intuition wrote:
    Quote:

    minator wrote:
    Desktop machine? slots?

    Last time I bought (well, built) a desktop machine with slots was 17 years ago!

    OTOH this laptop does have PCIe ...for the SDD drive.


    Show me an Aarch64/MIPS laptop with 4K screen and I'll buy it.


    I was going to say wait for the Snapdragon 835 Windows machine later in the year, but it turns out there is one with a 4K display already:

    Samsung Chromebook plus XE513C24-K01US

    Turns out there's also bunch of ARM laptops available now from the likes of Acer and Asus. I had no idea!
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    minator wrote:
    Quote:

    Intuition wrote:
    Quote:

    minator wrote:
    Desktop machine? slots?

    Last time I bought (well, built) a desktop machine with slots was 17 years ago!

    OTOH this laptop does have PCIe ...for the SDD drive.


    Show me an Aarch64/MIPS laptop with 4K screen and I'll buy it.


    I was going to say wait for the Snapdragon 835 Windows machine later in the year, but it turns out there is one with a 4K display already:

    Samsung Chromebook plus XE513C24-K01US

    Turns out there's also bunch of ARM laptops available now from the likes of Acer and Asus. I had no idea!



    Not for sale in the UK and only 32GB storage that can't be replaced.


    [ Edited by Intuition 01.05.2017 - 21:01 ]
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Jim wrote:
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    minator wrote:
    Desktop machine? slots?

    Last time I bought (well, built) a desktop machine with slots was 17 years ago!

    OTOH this laptop does have PCIe ...for the SDD drive.


    I have one with compact PCIe that I don't use for SSD, but then, I don't limit myself to laptops.



    I don't limit myself to laptops as such. I just haven't had a need for a desktop.

    My last desktop (tower actually) was pretty decked out slot wise. 2x SCSI cards, network card, audio card and Firewire.
    When I got my first laptop (Powerbook G4) other than SCSI, these were all included. I didn't notice the SCSI missing because I really only had a DVD drive on it and the Mac had a burner built in.

    Since then nothing has really changed. Anything I plug in is mostly USB. I do have a firewire mixing desk, but it's plugged into a Thunderbolt adaptor.

    The new laptop has switched entirely to USB-C connectors and it puts everything across them. It is a bit annoying having to get (rather expensive) adaptors but cheaper USB-C stuff is appearing on the market now.

    However, as I've discovered, USB has become a bit more complicated with time. You used to buy a USB device and plug in the cable...
    I had upgraded an older laptop to SSD but then I got the new machine. I thought I'd take the SSD out and use it as a backup drive for this machine. So, I ordered a USB-C HDD enclosure which has USB-C / USB 3.1.
    The standard Mac USB-C power cable does data but only at USB 2.0. So I ended up having to buy a separate high speed cable for USB 3.1.

    If you're buying anything USB 3.1, make sure you check the specs of everything - even the cables.

    BTW The same physical USB-C connectors on this machine also do Thunderbolt 3, it's the same speed as the PCIe slots in a PowerMac G5!


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    Intuition wrote:
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    minator wrote:
    Samsung Chromebook plus XE513C24-K01US



    Not for sale in the UK and only 32GB storage that can't be replaced.



    Not available in the UK? eBay is your friend ;-)

    Built in storage is becoming quite common in laptops, in this case it is pretty small and it's eMMC, so slow as well.
    OTOH there are USB-C / 3.1 sockets if you need more storage and it should be faster as well.
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    @Minator

    None-replaceable internal storage is a no go for me.

    Ideally a Snapdragon CPU with M.2 SSD, USB 3.1 A and C ports, ExpressCard or Thunderbolt ports, user upgradeable RAM and a 4K screen. And none of that ChromeOS rubbish unless I can put it in developer mode and install a proper OS. :)

    Or as i said, an ATX mobo with ARM CPU and a few PCIe slots.
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    In_Correct wrote:
    Ebay Is Not Your Friend.


    I sell on eBay, and I am your friend.
    eBay just provides the marketplace for the sellers.
    And I have purchased a great many things there that I have received great deals on.
    Further, should an item not meet the specifications listed by the seller, and I have a problem obtaining a refund, eBay will compensate me directly.

    Also, some of YOU have benefited from eBay, even if you didn't know it.
    The video card I sent Bigfoot for the development of the R500 drivers came from there.

    SO...you ARE In Correct. ;-)

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    minator wrote:
    I was going to say wait for the Snapdragon 835 Windows machine later in the year, but it turns out there is one with a 4K display already:

    Samsung Chromebook plus XE513C24-K01US

    Turns out there's also bunch of ARM laptops available now from the likes of Acer and Asus. I had no idea!



    Neat, but rather expensive for a Chromebook.
    And, of course, no Microsoft Office (and NO, Open Office is NOT an adequate substitute).
    No doubt Microsoft is going to introduce a competitor to the Chromebook soon with Office as an option (ALTHOUGH, that would make me kinda of lean toward Google's product - I HATE it when MS rips off someone else's idea).

    AND the Samsung mentioned is powered by ARM, not Intel, another positive for me.





    [ Edited by Jim 03.05.2017 - 06:23 ]
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Jim wrote:
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    In_Correct wrote:
    Ebay Is Not Your Friend.


    I sell on eBay, and I am your friend.
    eBay just provides the marketplace for the sellers.
    And I have purchased a great many things there that I have received great deals on.
    Further, should an item not meet the specifications listed by the seller, and I have a problem obtaining a refund, eBay will compensate me directly.

    Also, some of YOU have benefited from eBay, even if you didn't know it.
    The video card I sent Bigfoot for the development of the R500 drivers came from there.

    SO...you ARE In Correct. ;-)

    Quote:

    minator wrote:
    I was going to say wait for the Snapdragon 835 Windows machine later in the year, but it turns out there is one with a 4K display already:

    Samsung Chromebook plus XE513C24-K01US

    Turns out there's also bunch of ARM laptops available now from the likes of Acer and Asus. I had no idea!



    Neat, but rather expensive for a Chromebook.
    And, of course, no Microsoft Office (and NO, Open Office is NOT an adequate substitute).
    No doubt Microsoft is going to introduce a competitor to the Chromebook soon with Office as an option (ALTHOUGH, that would make me kinda of lean toward Google's product - I HATE it when MS rips off someone else's idea).

    AND the Samsung mentioned is powered by ARM, not Intel, another positive for me.




    I want a machine for real work not secretarial work so a lack of MS office products is fine by me. ;)

    ChromeOS runs Android apps though which means it has MS Word, Excel, Powerpoint. My missus runs Android x86 on a Lenovo netbook and uses MS Word for writing books.
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  • Caterpillar
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    No doubt Microsoft is going to introduce a competitor to the Chromebook soon with Office as an option (ALTHOUGH, that would make me kinda of lean toward Google's product - I HATE it when MS rips off someone else's idea).



    Yes, They are called Cloud Books , Acer makes them. I bricked one trying to get Linux on it.
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    My observations...

    Power Architecture has been shown in roadmaps, especially for high performance needs.

    Interestingly NXP ignores their e6500 when doing comparison that favors ARM:
    http://www.nxp.com/assets/documents/data/en/supporting-information/DN-Digital%20Networking%20solution-2017.pdf (page 17)

    10...15year longevity program at least ensure PPC availability.

    Here, page 25, show NXP ARM chips closing up (and going beyond) vs NXP PPC in performance:
    http://www.nxp.com/assets/documents/data/en/supporting-information/DN-Robotics%20and%20LS104x.pdf

    Previous "hope" for new PPC chips I spotted here.
    http://www.kpda.ru/upload/iblock/4b0/akimenko_19.04.16.pdf (see page 12)
    LS3XXXp (EE 3Q2017 LE 2Q2018), LT31xxP (EE 4Q2017 LE 3Q2018), LT10xxP(e6500based, EE 3Q2017 LE 1Q2018)
    Vague "next gen" info was also shown for example here: (16Mar2016, page8)
    https://freescale.jiveon.com/docs/DOC-330317

    So... unless NXP suddenly/unexpectedly puts out a 16nm PPC chip... I think we might not see any new PPC chip from NXP.
    (Telecoms has been very profitable for PPC, but companies have learned to use MIPS and ARM, so...)

    [ Edited by KimmoK 24.05.2017 - 09:11 ]
    :-x :-P 8-)
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    KimmoK wrote:

    I think we might not see any new PPC chip from NXP.


    You must be one of the last people to arrive at this conclusion.

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    Intuition wrote:
    ...I want a machine for real work not secretarial work so a lack of MS office products is fine by me. ;)

    ChromeOS runs Android apps though which means it has MS Word, Excel, Powerpoint. My missus runs Android x86 on a Lenovo netbook and uses MS Word for writing books.



    So, she uses a Microsoft Office component to write books, but my insistence on it is for "secretarial work"?
    That's low, Nik.

    My actual concern is that Open Office's spreadsheet isn't as fully featured as Excel and won't run the spreadsheets I've created.

    BUT, if you know secretaries creating spreadsheets, then maybe its a little sexist to consider "secretarial work" demeaning. ;-)
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    > Previous "hope" for new PPC chips I spotted here.
    > http://www.kpda.ru/upload/iblock/4b0/akimenko_19.04.16.pdf (see page 12)
    > LS3XXXp (EE 3Q2017 LE 2Q2018),
    > LT31xxP (EE 4Q2017 LE 3Q2018),
    > LT10xxP(e6500based, EE 3Q2017 LE 1Q2018)

    This is similar to what was published one year before, just that the future PPC chips got postponed to about one year later (and that LT3xxxP became LT31xxP).
    Also interesting to see that the core of the two slower chips is indicated as e6500, whereas the high-performance chip lacks core indication.

    P.S. more documents from 1st half of 2016 mentioning LT1/LS2/LS3 Power Architecture SoCs
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Jim wrote:
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    Intuition wrote:
    ...I want a machine for real work not secretarial work so a lack of MS office products is fine by me. ;)

    ChromeOS runs Android apps though which means it has MS Word, Excel, Powerpoint. My missus runs Android x86 on a Lenovo netbook and uses MS Word for writing books.



    So, she uses a Microsoft Office component to write books, but my insistence on it is for "secretarial work"?
    That's low, Nik.

    My actual concern is that Open Office's spreadsheet isn't as fully featured as Excel and won't run the spreadsheets I've created.

    BUT, if you know secretaries creating spreadsheets, then maybe its a little sexist to consider "secretarial work" demeaning. ;-)



    Where's my dinner woman? ;)

    Seriously though, I hear LibreOffice 5 is very good. Friend of mine is deputy chairman of a bank in Azerbaijan and he uses it. What for I have no idea, but I know he uses it.

    My disdain for "typing" software is due to being forced to to GCSE IT in the early 90's at school which replaced Computer Science in the UK. Two miserable years of using Microsoft Works for DOS on 286's. Not memories I wish to recall lol
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