> one of the presenters (Bigfoot?) mentions a possible release of the updated
> drivers with an upcoming 2.8 release estimated at "some time in the new year"
> (NB after a MorphOS 2.7 Powermac-oriented-bugfix release estimated "towards
> the end of November").

Thanks for your additions. Some more observation as to what was said by the developers:

1. 3D driver for R300* will come soonish, not Gallium3D based. (20:11)
2. PowerBook G4 support will not be released before R300 is supported in 3D (and fully in 2D). (39:48)
3. PCI cards that don't currently work in PowerMac G4 but work in Pegasos (e.g. SATA) are supposed to be supported in PowerMac G4 with MorphOS 2.8. (31:08)

From those points I conclude that PowerBook G4 support will come not until *after* MorphOS 2.8 release.

* The developer mentions that R300 includes up to Radeon X850, which is not true. X850 is R400 based. For a full list of R300 based cards (the highest numbered one being the X1050) go there.

> Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory looks awesome!

I think that was its predecessor RtCW.

Quote:

If I had something to add to your "wise guy" post, I would probably add that supporting R300 up to X850 means that X850 is the last card that uses a compatible CRT/display engine that works with the current Radeon driver. Everyone involved in Radeon driver development is pretty much aware that X850 is R4xx based, so this was more or less some imprecise glitch there ....
X1050 definitely won't work with the current Radeon display driver, though and requires major rework in that area. X850 only requires minor changes.

> supporting R300 up to X850 means that X850 is the last card that uses a
> compatible CRT/display engine that works with the current Radeon driver.

Does that mean in practise that the coming 3D driver for R300 will support the R400 based X850 as well?

> Everyone involved in Radeon driver development is pretty much aware that
> X850 is R4xx based, so this was more or less some imprecise glitch there ....
> X1050 won't work with that and requires major rework in that area. X850 only
> requires minor changes.

Thanks for clarification.

> Too bad quality of that video is low :(

450% more pixels, but some minutes missing from the beginning:

http://www.whbg.de/07%20-%20MorphOS%20Team%20-%20Quake3%20G5-Fork.avi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-EwQasRtAA

(Note: my aforementioned time stamps are 4:45 fast compared to this higher res video.)


Edit: added Youtube link

[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 12.11.2011 - 14:06 ]

Quote:

At least by looking at the 3d core changes/enhancements inbetween R3xx to R4xx, this might be some possible scenario.
The only "flawless" target for AGPx8 Radeon X8x0 cards is the PowerMac G5 for now, though (non-availability for MorphOS on G5 put aside). I didn't try to modify a Radeon X8xx card to make it work in a PowerMac G4 yet. For Pegasos2 or Efika (space/mechanical issues unconsidered) it's completely out of the picture. So focus is clearly on supporting most of the R3xx based cards.

>> Does that mean in practise that the coming 3D driver for R300 will
>> support the R400 based X850 as well?

> At least by looking at the 3d core changes/enhancements inbetween
> R3xx to R4xx, this might be some possible scenario.

That sounds nice, and it would be in line with what you said in the video :-)

Thanks Pega-1. That's the impression I got looking at the specs for the R400. Having owned several R3XX based cards, the 800 series just looked like a continuation of that design.

I'm not about to ask about when we could see it. I assume you'll consider R300 3D acceleration first (for the Powerbooks). Its just nice to now we may see eventual support for the last ATI AGP cards that could be used on the hardware we're using (or hope to use in the immediate future)..

I know I've always been able to count on your statements as 100% accurate, so its nice to see you guys have already thought this out.

just flashed an x800xt platinum edition and put into my pmac g4. works perfect under osx. now waiting 4 morphos support :)

FWIW, Bearsoft is working on ATI drivers for AROS under Gallium as well.