New SAM460EX
  • Order of the Butterfly
    Order of the Butterfly
    Dreamcast270mhz
    Posts: 152 from 2009/12/9
    From: Virginia,USA
    http://www.sam4x0.com/sam460ex.html

    Quote:

    * flex-ATX form factor (21.6 x 17 cm)
    * 8 layers PCB
    * AMCC 460ex SoC ? upto 1.066 Ghz
    * max 2 GB DDR2 Ram ? 200-pin SODIMM up to 533 Mhz
    * Silicon Motion SM502 embedded MoC (audio/video) max 64Mb gfx Ram
    * Audio 5.1 Realtek ALC655 codec
    * PCI-express 4x lanes slot (16x mechanical connector)
    * PCI-express 1x lane slot (* check notes)
    * PCI slot, 32 bit, 66/33 Mhz, 3.3V
    * 1x SATA2 port (* check notes)
    * 6x USB2 EHCI/OHCI ports
    * 2x 10/100/1000 Ethernet ports
    * Lattice XP2 FPGA with 80 I/O pins expansion connector (optional)
    * UMTS/GSM module (optional requires add-on card)
    * 512 MB NAND Flash (optional)
    * integrated SD card reader
    * RTC clock
    * Serial port, 8-wires
    * I2C and SPI/I2C buses
    * passive cooling
    * U-Boot 2009.08


    Me wantee
    My Macs:
    Powerbook G4 ALU 1.5GHZ 15" 1.5GB OSX.5.8
    Powermac G4 MDD 1.5GHZ OSX.5.8 MOS2.7

    Want a part for a Mac? Let me know, I'll see what I can do.

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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    takemehomegrandma
    Posts: 2636 from 2003/2/24
    I think it's interesting that they actually got as far as to *a third* model. Never thought they would...

    Quote:

    Me wantee


    May I ask why?
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    MorphOS NG will be AROS done right! :-)
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  • Jim
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    Jim
    Posts: 4897 from 2009/1/28
    From: Delaware, USA
    Ugh! You haveee. Me no want seriously poor piece of crap. X4 in an X16 slot=poor video performance. A single SATA connector (which disables the X1 PCIe slot). Built in video from a company I've never heard of.
    I'll wait for the Powermac port of MorphOS.
    This thing is REALLY unimpressive.
    "Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    osco
    Posts: 680 from 2009/10/21
    From: Boston, USA
    Ain't lookin back! M&M for me!! (Morph and Mac) :-D
    Mac Mini 1.5GHz, 1G, 250G Drive, Apple Cinema Display, MorphOS 3.1 registered, MacOS 10 PowerBook (5,8) 1.67Hz, 2G, 80G Drive,........Waiting
    PowerBook (5,8) 1.67Hz, 2G, 40G MorphOS 3.1 unregisterd
  • »03.04.10 - 00:18
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  • Order of the Butterfly
    Order of the Butterfly
    Dreamcast270mhz
    Posts: 152 from 2009/12/9
    From: Virginia,USA
    Yeah, the powermac is much better, but any powerpc is worth the money, but the A-EON I'm sure will be better.
    My Macs:
    Powerbook G4 ALU 1.5GHZ 15" 1.5GB OSX.5.8
    Powermac G4 MDD 1.5GHZ OSX.5.8 MOS2.7

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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
    Paladin of the Pegasos
    pampers
    Posts: 1058 from 2009/2/26
    From: Tczew, Poland
    We will see when they issue anything. For the moment we have only words.
    MorphOS 3.x
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 10977 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > I think it's interesting that they actually got as far as to
    > *a third* model. Never thought they would...

    I think it was clear they intended to:

    http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=4552
    http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2009-December/065825.html

    Me predicting (well, sort of):
    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6355&forum=3#64044
  • »03.04.10 - 00:46
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 10977 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > Built in video from a company I've never heard of.

    http://www.siliconmotion.com/A3.2_Overview_Detail.php?sn=39

    At least there seem to be OS4 drivers ready:

    http://www.acube-systems.biz/common/image/screenshots/sm502.jpg
    (uploaded 6 weeks ago)

    This image shows OS4.1 on Sam440ep-flex and EyeMotion.
  • »03.04.10 - 00:54
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 10977 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > M&M for me!!

    Hehe, first I thought you mean Maim&Mangle by ACube's Max 'm3x' Tretene ;-)

    http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=15262&forum=9
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 10977 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > For the moment we have only words.

    Not quite true.

    1. There's the picture of the actual board which clearly does *not* show the PPC460EX eval board ('Canyonlands' by Embedded Planet).
    2. There are screenshots of Debian running on that board.
    3. There is a screenshot of OS4.1 on Sam440ep-flex and EyeMotion, which has the same 'MoC' as the Sam460ex.
  • »03.04.10 - 01:31
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  • MorphOS Developer
    Krashan
    Posts: 1107 from 2003/6/11
    From: Białystok...
    Not interesting to me for two reasons:
    1. I doubt we will ever see MorphOS ported to it. And I do not want to be sentenced to use AmigaOS 4...
    2. Price is not encouraging (600e + VAT), I can easily have two max specced Macs mini for this, or even a PowerBook in the near future.
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  • MorphOS Developer
    itix
    Posts: 1516 from 2003/2/24
    From: Finland
    Quote:


    * Silicon Motion SM502 embedded MoC (audio/video) max 64Mb gfx Ram



    Maximum resolution is only 1280x1024 so it is not suitable for desktop use. Apparently 3D acceleration is also missing.

    [ Edited by itix on 2010/4/3 11:21 ]
    1 + 1 = 3 with very large values of 1
  • »03.04.10 - 08:16
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    magnetic
    Posts: 2129 from 2003/3/1
    From: Los Angeles
    Krashan

    Sentenced to use AmigsOs4? lol that is a good one.. :lol:
    Wow, $600 euro? Thats a lot in us dollars! Peg2 w/ Morphos2 will outperform the Sam and OS4.1!
    Pegasos 2 Rev 2B3 w/ Freescale 7447 "G4" @ 1ghz / 1gb Nanya Ram
    Quad Boot: MorphOS 2.7 | Amiga OS4.1 U4 | Ubuntu PPC GNU/Linux | OS X 10.4
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  • MorphOS Developer
    Krashan
    Posts: 1107 from 2003/6/11
    From: Białystok...
    Sentenced to use AmigsOs4? lol that is a good one...

    I have both the systems installed on my Pegasos 2, and I know what I'm saying. AmigaOS 4 lacks significant amount of basic functionality, especially in desktop area and web browsing (+ it has no serious SSH client).
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    takemehomegrandma
    Posts: 2636 from 2003/2/24
    Quote:


    itix wrote:
    Quote:


    * Silicon Motion SM502 embedded MoC (audio/video) max 64Mb gfx Ram


    Maximum resolution is only 1280x1024 so it is not suitable for desktop use. Apparently 3D acceleration is also missing.


    Then why on earth did they put that chip on the board? Only adds complexity and cost to the design.

    For some reason that no-one can conceive they continue to put FPGA chips on the board. It's sitting there un-used, only adding complexity and cost to the design.

    And only one SATA unit? Not suitable for desktops either. And you must choose between using that one or the PCI-e 1x slot. I guess most people will buy a SATA controller card and put in that slot to be able to use at least 2 units (the customer feedback from having only one unit on the Efika was less than optimal),

    And most certainly no MorphOS, which together with the insane price is a major show stopper for me. I could have two Mac Mini MorphOS systems for the price they ask for one of these motherboards alone. And each of those two Mac Mini's will be a magnitude more useful and better performing.

    I see no point with this board at all...
    MorphOS is Amiga done right! :-)
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    SoundSquare
    Posts: 1207 from 2004/12/1
    From: Paris, France
    @takemehomegrandma

    please keep in mind (and all of you too) that ACube designs motherboard for their embedded market customers, not for hardware hungry amigans. So it all makes sense in this context, even the poor video chip (far enough for embedded needs, why the hell would you need a big ATI or NVidia card). ACube is NOT an amigaOS4 hardware company, but it does support efforts to get OS4 ported on their machines.
    AmigaOS4 is not even announced on this board btw, and i doubt that Hyperion will work on it before they finish the X1000 support.
  • »03.04.10 - 10:44
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  • Butterfly
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    TiredOfLife
    Posts: 84 from 2009/10/13
    One of the OS4 devs said none of the current builds will work on it but it wouldnt take much to get it working.
    I would have thought the X1000 is their priority though.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 10977 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > I guess most people will buy a SATA controller card and put in that slot to be
    > able to use at least 2 units

    From the Sam460ex user manual:

    ------------------------------
    The current U-Boot version support booting from the following devices:
    - SATA2 hard disk connected on the onboard controller port J15 (* check notes)
    - SATA hard disk and/or DVD connected to a Silicon Image 3112 controller on PCI slot
    - SATA hard disk and/or DVD connected to a Silicon Image 3114 controller on PCI slot
    [...]
    ------------------------------

    Booting from SATA card in PCI-e slot seems not possible.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    stephen_robinson
    Posts: 745 from 2007/4/22
    Actually this does look quite clever, the single hard drive and basic graphics card for embedded stuff, but slap a couple of cards in and you've got loads of Sata attachments and a good graphics card.

    I'd still prefer two sata connections and 128mb of graphics ram as standard, but you can't please everyone.
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  • Jim
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    Jim
    Posts: 4897 from 2009/1/28
    From: Delaware, USA
    Quote # PCI 33/66 MHz & 32bit host bus support
    # Low-cost, low-power 2D graphics processor

    Apparently Acube is stuck using a relatively slow interface for devices on their boards.

    2D graphics processor?

    I'll still stick with my Radeon 9250. It's slow, but it supports 3D.

    Edit - But I will admit it's nice to see an Acube board running above 1 Ghz.Maybe when its available they can build something with the APM86190.

    [ Edited by Jim on 2011/1/26 23:14 ]
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  • MorphOS Developer
    Krashan
    Posts: 1107 from 2003/6/11
    From: Białystok...
    I'll still stick with my Radeon 9250. It's slow, but it supports 3D.

    It is still much faster than this Silicon Motion 502 chip.
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  • Jim
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    Actually, I checked on the web and the only site I could find that reviewed the 502 rated it with the slowest GPUs used in laptops. Right down there with VIA and SIS integrated video.

    Why not use an ATI embedded GPU?

    [ Edited by Jim on 2010/4/5 5:08 ]

    [ Edited by Jim on 2010/4/5 5:12 ]
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  • »05.04.10 - 04:07
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  • Order of the Butterfly
    Order of the Butterfly
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    Posts: 152 from 2009/12/9
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    +1 for ATi embedded cpu, I have to say in recent months I have grown to hate nVidia's lack of driver support for alternative OSes. You can't get 3D on the early iMac G5/ all G4s and that limits MOS's development platform
    My Macs:
    Powerbook G4 ALU 1.5GHZ 15" 1.5GB OSX.5.8
    Powermac G4 MDD 1.5GHZ OSX.5.8 MOS2.7

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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    jcmarcos
    Posts: 1178 from 2003/3/13
    From: Pinto, Madrid ...
    Alright, it's very expensive, but I'd say we should keep pricing matters aside: We morphers also love our very expensive operating system.
    It looks like a worthy choice, in the scope of this almost invisible PowerPC computer space, where new developments are extremely rare. The fact that it's completely made in Italy (and not in Chine, where people still work for almost no payment) is almost unbelivable, a huge effort that alone raises the cost a lot.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Velcro_SP
    Posts: 929 from 2003/7/13
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    |||

    [ Edited by Velcro_SP 25.04.2011 - 07:20 ]
    Pegasos2 G3, 512 megs RAM
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