Firmware upgrade Q for pegII...
  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    keropi
    Posts: 131 from 2006/11/11
    From: Ioannina , Greece
    Hiya!

    I think I don't need to upgrade, but just to be sure...
    On boot I see that I have firmware v.1.1 200404051752512
    and on bplan site there is up050404 firmware update... so they are the same, only the date ordering is different, right? :-?

    thanks! :-)
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    DJBase
    Posts: 739 from 2003/4/6
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    Its the same version.
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  • DDJ
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    Posts: 99 from 2003/2/24
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    well, talking about OF, it is possible to make a "copy" of my current OF to a file, like we do with PCs ? looks like we have OFs around, but not all versions we saw in our signatures are available to download.
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    keropi
    Posts: 131 from 2006/11/11
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    how come DDJ has a newer firmware? :-? :-? :-?
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    judas
    Posts: 175 from 2005/1/14
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    I have the 1.2, too .... :-)

    Getting firmware is a real mess. You cannot download the latest fw, just like any other PC company allows you to do ...
    Some people get it from somewhere and share it with others ... this really suxx.

    There are enough reasons(=bugs) to try updates .. so I'm waiting for the next version... but beside big annoucements and even screenshots, I found no source where to obtain it ...
    With this kind of support, Genesi/bplan will have big problems if they would ever try to sell to the industrial sector, as noone is willing to wait years for fw bugfixes ..
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    DJBase
    Posts: 739 from 2003/4/6
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    I am waiting since 4 years for a bugfixed Firmware upgrade of my Pegasos 1 but it seems nobody cares for their customers.
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  • MorphOS Developer
    jacadcaps
    Posts: 2715 from 2003/3/5
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    @ DJBase

    A few years ago there was a replacement plan and you could easily exchange a Peg1 for a Peg2. The Pegasos1 machines were discontinued a LONG time ago. IMO there is no point in supporting them any further, at least in terms of OF.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    DJBase
    Posts: 739 from 2003/4/6
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    "A few years ago there was a replacement plan and you could easily exchange a Peg1 for a Peg2. The Pegasos1 machines were discontinued a LONG time ago. IMO there is no point in supporting them any further, at least in terms of OF."

    Yes, great idea, leave customers at their own. So I expect there will also no OF upgrade for Pegasos II. Why bother? They could buy an EFIKA. If thats the policy it was the last time I bought anything from this company.
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  • phx
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    phx
    Posts: 60 from 2005/3/29
    From: Herford, Germany
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    jacadcaps wrote:
    IMO there is no point in supporting them any further, at least in terms of OF.

    Wow... I must say that I'm shocked, reading such statements!
    It is normal that a machine is dicontinued, and no longer produced, but I expect from every half-professional company that discontinued hardware is still supported by software upgrades!
    I can only agree with DJBase. It's a shame. Although I had great respect for the way bplan is dealing with customers, replacing their defect boards for free (this is the way I got my OF update ;).
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    SoundSquare
    Posts: 1212 from 2004/12/1
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    firmware upgrades were announced more than a year ago, some new firmware was tested more than 2 years ago.
    I suppose the new firmwares brought more issues than it solved and got cancelled.
  • »01.07.07 - 16:12
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    Henes
    Posts: 507 from 2003/6/14
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    Yes, great idea, leave customers at their own.


    Quote:


    Wow... I must say that I'm shocked, reading such statements!


    Erm, sorry... but what is the problem with not supporting theorically exchanged machines?
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  • MorphOS Developer
    zukow
    Posts: 620 from 2005/2/9
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    because not all machines have been exchanged (due to lack of time/money etc.)

    [ Edited by zukow on 2007/7/1 19:17 ]
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  • MorphOS Developer
    Henes
    Posts: 507 from 2003/6/14
    But, in this case, why would some people blame others for their own failure?
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    DJBase
    Posts: 739 from 2003/4/6
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    Quote:

    But, in this case, why would some people blame others for their own failure?


    Pardon? Its their own fault because they are not that rich to buy or upgrade to newer hardware? Even if why must have done everyone the upgrade? Is there somewhere an internal timeout that will kill the hardware someday? The Pegasos I may have some issues but makes his job day by day.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    ThePlayer
    Posts: 1057 from 2003/3/24
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    But at least a new OF Update for Peg2 would be very appreciated! Me thinks
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  • »01.07.07 - 20:36
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    keropi
    Posts: 131 from 2006/11/11
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    what kind of troubles people come into with their pegII's ?
    I only noticed that some 9250's don't work...
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  • »01.07.07 - 20:41
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  • MorphOS Developer
    CISC
    Posts: 619 from 2005/8/27
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    It is normal that a machine is dicontinued, and no longer produced, but I expect from every half-professional company that discontinued hardware is still supported by software upgrades!


    Sounds like you're confusing availability with updates .. there are very few companies (I can count them on one hand) that still deliver firmware updates beyond 1 year of the last sold hw revision (there are even some that don't deliver firmware updates ever)...

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    I can only agree with DJBase. It's a shame.


    I'm sure you are all aware that jacaDcaps doesn't work for bPlan, right?

    Either way, releasing updates for "ancient" hw means (or should anyway) thouroughly testing it first, and if the userbase has dwindled to next-to-nothing, does it really make sense spending the time&money doing so?


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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    analogkid
    Posts: 626 from 2004/11/3
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    Nice logic to deny support for discontinued hardware. For what kind of hardware should MOS 2.0 then come?
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  • MorphOS Developer
    CISC
    Posts: 619 from 2005/8/27
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    Nice logic to deny support for discontinued hardware. For what kind of hardware should MOS 2.0 then come?


    No-one has denied anything (there are no bPlan representatives in this thread), and I fail to see the connection for the latter...


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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    CISC wrote:
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    Nice logic to deny support for discontinued hardware. For what kind of hardware should MOS 2.0 then come?


    No-one has denied anything (there are no bPlan representatives in this thread), and I fail to see the connection for the latter...

    - CISC



    mos 2.0 will support pegasos II (and peg1 me guess) - i thinks thats what he menas.

    as i know there are several firmware versions for the pegII around - those who've bought their pegs later have newer fw's than the earlier customers. why cant we download those newer fw's? they seems to works fine.
    for example, my peg's fw doesnt support usb keyboard, which is a real pita for me, but the newer fw's are support usb key. i need one.
    why cannot the older, unrepaired, original pegII users get them??
    i wrote bplan 2 times about this and they didnt even reply...

    at least they could give a good, real explanation about this firmware issue...
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    magnetic
    Posts: 2129 from 2003/3/1
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    Guys

    You do of course realize that Bplan is a small company. This isnt H+P here. Their level of support for the Pegasos community is incredible. Lets have some perspective here please. I'm sure all their time and efforts are for the Efika Firmware ATM. As it is, you got MOS for free and it works on legacy Peg1 hardware, so how can you complain?

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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    MarK
    Posts: 641 from 2004/1/25
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    well, to say truth, i dunno, how small or big bplan is... but i have to say, that i have only the best experience with bplan and their people, especially Thomas Knabel, who let fixed my G4 CPU card and sent it back within 3 weeks to be able to present pegasos2 on our local computer party.

    bplan RULEZ!!!!

    bye, MarK.
  • »02.07.07 - 05:13
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    keropi
    Posts: 131 from 2006/11/11
    From: Ioannina , Greece
    ah, so there is a chance that the pegII I sent for repair will return with one of the newer firmware versions?

    and the bplan ppl are indeed very helpfull and kind...
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  • MorphOS Developer
    jacadcaps
    Posts: 2715 from 2003/3/5
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    @analogkid

    Who and where is denying updates? Could you point me to a link? :)

    I merely expressed my own oppinion (I'm a Peg1 owner as well).
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    analogkid
    Posts: 626 from 2004/11/3
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    The connection is support for discontinued hardware in general. When there is a market for MOS 2.0 on this kind of hardware, then there is also a market for further firmware-updates.
  • »02.07.07 - 08:26
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