So...what does this mean for MorphOS and the Peg community?
  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    TheMagicM
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    "Frankfurt, Germany -- Genesi announced today that it would no longer directly support third party or external MorphOS development. "We will continue to develop MorphOS internally for embedded markets and specific projects using the 1.4 release," stated Gerald Carda, CTO of Genesi."

    [ Edited by TheMagicM on 2004/11/23 6:44 ]
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  • opi
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    Lets wait for BBRV's explanation, because I can read bad things for MorphOS from this, and maybe Im wrong.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    TheMagicM
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    yea, lets hope someone hacked something or other.... MOS was the only reason I liked the Pegasos.. make it run on a A1 mobo and I'd love that system the same!
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  • opi
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    they have a nearly finished Os and we have an illegal Os ?


    No trolling. Illegal OS? Oh, please. Take a time machine and go back to the 2002. You can troll all day long on ANN. And I don't think there's ,,we'' because I assume you don't own Pegasos and just join to post a trollish comment.

    Anyway, the news is gone, so we can assume it was just a draft that was not for public eyes, so the contenc can not be consider official.
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    Interesting times indeed!
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    darKing
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    hmmm.. guess I missed something today?
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    @darKing

    Not really. If you've ever read a tombstone ... the message had the same meaning.
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  • Just looking around
    darKing
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    just wonder where the message is / was?
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    TheMagicM
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    same thing is on AO. Intresting but sad also. Basically in my interpretation...
    BBRV doesnt want MOS anymore and will not pay for any other version nor support it. If MOS developers want to write MOS for free they still can but without support from "THE COMPANY" (duunn dunnnn duuuunnnnnn) which includes cash if any was ever to be paid.
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    darKing
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    ummm I don't know why the first thread was editet but I just can't
    find anything. morphos-news.de, amiga-news.de, morphos.net.. nowhere?!

    Please help a blind guy

    ps: I just found a post that looked like this "Message" was on
    genesi.lu ? Is that
    right?

    [ Edited by darKing on 2004/11/23 0:28 ]
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    it said:

    "Frankfurt, Germany -- Genesi announced today that it would no longer directly support third party or external MorphOS development. "We will continue to develop MorphOS internally for embedded markets and specific projects using the 1.4 release," stated Gerald Carda, CTO of Genesi."
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    Quote:


    TheMagicM wrote:
    it said:

    "Frankfurt, Germany -- Genesi announced today that it would no longer directly support third party or external MorphOS development. "We will continue to develop MorphOS internally for embedded markets and specific projects using the 1.4 release," stated Gerald Carda, CTO of Genesi."


    So what does this all mean?

    I have been watching this disaster for some time now, and I want to say something. This whole situation regarding Genesi and the MorphOS Team has really made me wonder what is going on with the Pegasos platform.

    I don't want to, but I may have to seriously reconsider buying a Pegasos II for development purposes. I was going to buy it for MorphOS, not for Linux. :( If I wanted Linux, I could run it on my Windows XP Pro computer or my Power Mac G4 (dual 1.25 GHz). :-/ If there is going to be no MorphOS, then I don't want a Pegasos II.

    This whole situation is really sad...
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    well, we'll have to see the "Official" release from Genesi/BBRV to see what will happen.
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    I sure hope it is some good news, because it does not look very good at the moment from my point of view.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Well it looks like it just may be the end for all of us MorphOS types then. I would thing that it would never had been posted in the first place if it wasnt about to be true or is in the works. I guess only time will tell in the days to come. Like many of you if MorphOS goes away so do I. I just dont see the point of running Linux on a G4 machine I paid good money for to run MorphOS. I have two Macs I can do that with. Its a sad sad day indeed.
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    You know, as much as I realize idle speculation can't and won't help..I can't help myself.

    Suffice it to say it looks like the latest 'progress' means the MorphOS I wanted is dying or at the least significantly stalled...which is fine, no-one has to share my opinion after all. I'll just be voting with my feet and walking away....
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    Quote:


    TheMagicM wrote:
    yea, lets hope someone hacked something or other.... MOS was the only reason I liked the Pegasos.. make it run on a A1 mobo and I'd love that system the same!


    I doubt that! :-P
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    MorphOS NG will be AROS done right! :-)
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Quote:


    Acill wrote:
    Well it looks like it just may be the end for all of us MorphOS types then. I would thing that it would never had been posted in the first place if it wasnt about to be true or is in the works.


    I think it's just as true as "Any new version of MorphOS for the Pegasos won't happen before the above counters reach zero."

    What if there simply are *no ways* for Genesi of achieving just that, just right now, as those developers demand? My belief is that this situation requires flexibility from all parts involved. If no such flexibility is showed, then what else could Genesi do? As you say Acill, this looks like it may be the end for all us MorphOS types, but even more, the end of the Amiga Era as a whole. MorphOS will live on, in one form or another, but it won't be the same without the desktop.

    I just wish that some flexibilty would be thrown into the discussions. It seems obvious that Genesi has no way of paying all that money, right now. I wish that they would accept a smaller sum now (more at a later point) and that MorphOS continues to be developed as before, at least for a bit longer. The alternative will be the death of MorphOS as we know it, the death of the Amiga era, and definitely no hope of money at all for any of those who claim it at this point.
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  • Cocoon
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    smithy
    Posts: 49 from 2003/12/30
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    :-( :-( :-( :-( :-(

    I think so many of us are feeling the same way. We bought our Pegasos boards specifically to run MOS on, and now the future of the OS is looking extremely uncertain, I think we're all feeling a bit upset and bewildered.

    We're all here because computers (and MOS) are our hobbies. If the worst happens I see many sad things happening:

    1. The hard work of the MOS team, to create a desktop OS, is wasted.
    2. The MOS community, which is really cool, will spread out and dissipate in different directions. I really hope the usergroup I regularly inhabit, and the personalities in it, #amigazeux, will carry on.

    Finally, there is the personal element - for those of us who's hobbies are computers - where do we go next? MOS seemed the perfect choice for me.

    I am not hopeful, but I really want MOS to continue on the desktop.

    :-( :-( :-( :-(
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    Posts: 35 from 2004/10/20
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    I think so many of us are feeling the same way. We bought our Pegasos boards specifically to run MOS on, and now the future of the OS is looking extremely uncertain, I think we're all feeling a bit upset and bewildered.




    Too Right - I only bought my peg2
    6-7 weeks ago. Upset is not quite
    the word how about furious??

    As it took me 6 months to save up for
    an amiga-like machine and even at the
    last minute I was having problems deciding
    between an Amiga One and a Pegasos2

    How Stupid and Upset do I feel ????????

    Has no one realised that Genesi have been
    advertising features in MorphOS that don't
    exist like TCP/IP and a wonderful printing
    system? (that doesn't print).....

    Under English Trading Standards Laws
    I'm quite certain that I would be within my
    rights to send back my mainboard and copy of MorphOS to Genesi for a full refund as it does
    not fullfil its advertised feature-set.

    I'm sure european trading standards laws
    are not that much different.

    Without these features and a stagnant / dead
    MorphOS - I feel like i have been mugged
    as I bought my PEG2 by comparing hardware
    and software features on the Genesi website as opposed to Amiga1 and OS4 and didn't
    know about the missing and non-working
    parts until I received it.

    I was willing to wait for a promised 1.5 to
    fix all these problems and add all these missing
    features........ but this seems less and less
    likely.

    And no BBRV i will not stop until either I have
    a definative answer on MorphOS 1.5 or the
    £484.00 that I paid for my Mainboard.

    So please stop asking me via pm
    to stop posting my opinions.

    Regards

    Niteman1969
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    MorphOS 1.4.2 / Debian Sarge Linux Soon
    got 14 cd iso files to download = 9gb ........lol
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    smithy
    Posts: 49 from 2003/12/30
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    @niteman1969

    Quote:


    niteman1969 wrote:

    I think so many of us are feeling the same way. We bought our Pegasos boards specifically to run MOS on, and now the future of the OS is looking extremely uncertain, I think we're all feeling a bit upset and bewildered.

    Too Right - I only bought my peg2
    6-7 weeks ago. Upset is not quite
    the word how about furious??

    [...]

    How Stupid and Upset do I feel ????????

    Has no one realised that Genesi have been
    advertising features in MorphOS that don't
    exist like TCP/IP and a wonderful printing
    system? (that doesn't print).....

    Under English Trading Standards Laws
    I'm quite certain that I would be within my
    rights to send back my mainboard and copy of MorphOS to Genesi for a full refund as it does
    not fullfil its advertised feature-set.



    I am not annoyed, just upset that something I really believed in, and invested a lot of my time into developing for, was going to go have a future is looking less so.

    Everyone knows that this is a specialist computing market, and we can't expect something level with the functionality of Windows XP. But we're hobbyist computists, that like tinkering, coding and messing and we don't expect a Windows XP anyway. Also, computer platforms have always been very hit/miss... lots of platforms have been launched without good software support and have failed. It comes with the territory of being a computer enthusiast, and as especially as we are, neo-Amiga enthusiasts. You've still gotten a decent system for your cash (A1/OS4 would have cost you 3x what you paid for Peg/MOS).

    But there is still some hope that the situation might be resolved, so don't try to sell or give back your Pegasos yet! Let's wait until we have a final announcement from some party. And even if that time comes, I'll still consider myself to own a piece of Amiga, if not computing, history which I'll keep - just as I've kept my A1200.

    Anyway, all I'm saying is that it's too early to make a decision to leave the platform.

    -smithy



    [ Edited by smithy on 2004/11/23 12:02 ]

    [ Edited by smithy on 2004/11/23 12:03 ]
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    Come on guys.. it's STILL ONLY a hobby. There are plenty of alternatives after MOS. Linux, MacOS, OS4, just to name a few alternatives.

    Now Itix just have to improve and finish his OS4 emulator.. the quicker the better :)
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    Guys calm down! Bplan has not made such a statement. Take a look here Bplan News
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