Wayfarer - slow download speed compared to OWB
  • Just looking around
    Posts: 18 from 2022/8/17
    Hi,
    I noticed that on the same websites I get much slower DL speed compared to OWB.
    E.g. I went to https://anydesk.com/en/downloads/linux and with OWB I get ~3.5-4.5 Mb/s, while in OWB it never goes above 800 Kb/s.
    Another, even more extreme example is if you go to https://todoist.com/downloads (OWB doesn't display this page correctly but one can still DL the file) and try to DL an app for Windows 10 (65 Mb). In OWB I get 12.1 Mb/s Dl speed, in Wayfarer it never goes above 830 Kb/s. I also measured the time needed to download, just to eliminate that two browsers are actually calculating DL speed differently but OWB DL took a couple of secs while WF DL took more than minute (more like minute and a half) so there is definitely a huge difference.

    Is there smth that can be configured to improve the DL speeds in WF or is this a bug?

    My config is:
    PMAC 11,2 Quad 2.5
    Radeon X1950
    2 GB RAM
    RTL8168-based network card
    MOS 3.18
  • »15.05.23 - 09:38
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Amigaharry2
    Posts: 1195 from 2010/1/6
    From: EU-Austria (Wien)
    Can cofirm 800kB/s for OWB, but Wayfarer loads here with 1077kB/s. (https://anydesk.com/en/downloads/linux)
    Peg2, 3xPowerMac G5, 2xPowerbookG4, 2x MacMiniG4, Efika (again), A3000T and life is never boring.....
  • »15.05.23 - 09:54
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  • man
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    man
    Posts: 90 from 2019/11/11
    the memory connexion can be change in prefs networks but i don t known if that change the speed
    else/
    security puzzle with morphos 3.18 and wayfarer 5.3 not work
    use withcleaner before to use wayfarer but sometimes the security puzzle not work
  • »29.05.23 - 18:50
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  • Cocoon
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    eastone
    Posts: 44 from 2007/8/4
    From: Vaasa/Finland
    The problem with the download speed still occurs (Wayfarer 6.0)
    Tested with the MorphOS iso from the official site.
    OWB 1.7-.1.8 MB/s,
    Wayfarer 830-890 KB/s
    Tested on fresh Morphos installation with default settings and wired connection.

    My SYSTEM: PowerMac3,6
    PROCESSOR: 7445/7455 (G4) (V3.2) 1333MHz (FSB 167MHz)
    PROCESSOR: 7445/7455 (G4) (V3.2) 1333MHz (FSB 167MHz)
    VERSION: MorphOS version 3.18, Ambient version 1.46, Kickstart version 51.53
    RAM: Node type $8A, Attributes $1505 (FAST), at $14000CA8-$80000000 (~1728.0 meg)
    BOARDS:
    Vendor $106B Device $0034 Apple Inc., UniNorth 2 AGP
    Vendor $1002 Device $95C6 Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI], RV620 LE [Radeon HD 3450 AGP]
    Vendor $1002 Device $AA28 Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI], RV620 HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 3450/3470/3550/3570]
    Vendor $1102 Device $0004 Creative Labs, EMU10k2/CA0100/CA0102/CA10200 [Sound Blaster Audigy Series]
    Vendor $1102 Device $7003 Creative Labs, SB Audigy Game Port
    Vendor $1102 Device $4001 Creative Labs, SB Audigy FireWire Port
    Vendor $10DE Device $0110 NVIDIA Corporation, NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400]
    Vendor $1033 Device $0035 NEC Corporation, OHCI USB Controller
    Vendor $1033 Device $0035 NEC Corporation, OHCI USB Controller
    Vendor $1033 Device $00E0 NEC Corporation, uPD72010x USB 2.0 Controller
    Vendor $1095 Device $3114 Silicon Image, Inc., SiI 3114 [SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller
    Vendor $106B Device $0019 Apple Inc., KeyLargo USB
    Vendor $106B Device $0019 Apple Inc., KeyLargo USB
    Vendor $106B Device $0033 Apple Inc., UniNorth 2 ATA/100
    Vendor $106B Device $0031 Apple Inc., UniNorth 2 FireWire
    Vendor $106B Device $0032 Apple Inc., UniNorth 2 GMAC (Sun GEM)
  • »18.07.23 - 08:00
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  • Just looking around
    Posts: 18 from 2022/8/17
    I can confirm - no change in download speeds. OWB still runs rings around it.
  • »18.07.23 - 09:05
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  • man
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    man
    Posts: 90 from 2019/11/11
    memory in networks prefs
    wired connection
    change
    download 16000 memory
    updowload 2000 memory
    use with cisco system exist in 5ghz too
    more speedy to use with internet pcmcia too
    for download to see if faster
  • »18.07.23 - 11:17
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  • man
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    man
    Posts: 90 from 2019/11/11
    updownload 20000
  • »18.07.23 - 13:41
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  • Just looking around
    Posts: 18 from 2022/8/17
    Quote:

    man wrote:
    memory in networks prefs
    wired connection
    change
    download 16000 memory
    updowload 2000 memory
    use with cisco system exist in 5ghz too
    more speedy to use with internet pcmcia too
    for download to see if faster


    Where exactly are those parameters in Network settings? I can't find any under network interfaces (expert mode). Under Advanced tab there are some memory buffers settings (right now I have them as 65536 for both).

    To give an example of the difference in DL speeds - Downloading Wayfarer 6.0:
    1. Wayfarer, max speed reached 291 Kb/s; Dl time ~1:35 mins
    2. OWB, max speed reached 1,2 Mb/s; DL time ~18 secs

    @jacadcaps any suggestions what to do to improve DL speeds with Wayfarer? Right now, although WF is functionally better due to DL speeds, it's feeling slower.



    [ Edited by DayWalker 18.07.2023 - 17:07 ]
  • »18.07.23 - 15:02
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  • MorphOS Developer
    jacadcaps
    Posts: 2948 from 2003/3/5
    From: Canada
    Use a socks5 proxy.
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  • Just looking around
    Posts: 18 from 2022/8/17
    Quote:

    jacadcaps wrote:
    Use a socks5 proxy.


    I'm wondering, why would that make a difference in download speeds between OWB and Wayfarer? Both are using the same internet connection and the same network card.

    [ Edited by DayWalker 19.07.2023 - 12:14 ]
  • »19.07.23 - 08:00
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    kriz
    Posts: 309 from 2005/10/18
    From: No(R)way
    This is with wired or wireless ?
    MacMiniG4 MOS 3.18 rulez ... For music check: Horrordelic Records - Dark Psychedelic Music Since 2011 -
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  • Just looking around
    Posts: 18 from 2022/8/17
    Quote:

    kriz wrote:
    This is with wired or wireless ?


    Wired, rtl 8168.
  • »22.07.23 - 14:29
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  • ghh
  • Cocoon
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    ghh
    Posts: 47 from 2017/7/16
    From: Prague
    Just an idea. Try downloading something to Ram: and compare the speed.
  • »22.07.23 - 21:09
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  • Just looking around
    Posts: 18 from 2022/8/17
    Quote:

    ghh wrote:
    Just an idea. Try downloading something to Ram: and compare the speed.


    I always download to RAM:, the results above were also when downloading to it. This still wouldn't explain the huge difference in download speed between OWB and Wayfarer (OWB is much, much faster - for those who missed the first post).

    Thanks for the tip nevertheless.



    [ Edited by DayWalker 24.07.2023 - 08:08 ]
  • »23.07.23 - 14:21
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  • ghh
  • Cocoon
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    ghh
    Posts: 47 from 2017/7/16
    From: Prague
    Oh yes. I had the same problem with the new HDD + filesystem and I noticed it just as I was downloading to Ram: and not to HDD. But it's very strange and I don't really want to believe it:) Link
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  • man
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    man
    Posts: 90 from 2019/11/11
    information for hdd:
    for sfs partition it s better too for hdd to be not 512 but 1024 and either 2048 bloc
    when you edit the partition then format it and install morphos
  • »23.07.23 - 21:54
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  • Butterfly
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    Mabo
    Posts: 67 from 2010/5/3
    I have a similar issue.

    Im on a gigabit lan but my macmini seems to navigate at 10mb :/

    Is there any changes that I can do?

    Thanks ^
  • »13.08.23 - 20:12
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    kriz
    Posts: 309 from 2005/10/18
    From: No(R)way
    We should all do some testing, i have also always gotten quite slower transfers on MorphOS, but now got a new network (again) and can test later.. But we should all have a common test and info we gather to do a proper test on several machines.. Wget ? Axel ? Any best tool use to max test the bandwith possible before doing testing with more complex software ?

    Example info:
    _________________________________
    MorphOS version:
    Mac Model:
    Network card device:
    Network type:

    _________________________________
    MacMiniG4 MOS 3.18 rulez ... For music check: Horrordelic Records - Dark Psychedelic Music Since 2011 -
  • »14.08.23 - 19:05
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    sailor
    Posts: 351 from 2019/5/9
    From: Central Bohemi...
    Best tool I found for comparison of speed of TCP stack is TCPSpeed.

    But it says nothing about speed of browser download. For this I suggest to install Apache / NGINX / MS IIS on local LAN and test download. Also many home routers can serve as web server.
    Measure speed through internet providers gives you "real" numbers which are inaccurate due to the transmission route. Of course, measuring through provider is better than no measuring, but you have to keep in mind, that there are many other influences than browser.

    [ Edited by sailor 14.08.2023 - 21:31 ]
    AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
    AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, AmigaOneX1000
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Brumiga
    Posts: 239 from 2004/4/3
    From: France
    @Mabo,

    The macmini has ethernet 10 mbits/100 mbits. What is the category of the ethernet cable you use ? Search on it what is written. If it is lower than category 5 that can or could explain why the speed you obtain is only 10 mbits. So change it for an ethernet cable category 5 or 6 and then you would or will obtain a speed of 100 mbits.

    Brumiga

    [ Edité par Brumiga 14.08.2023 - 23:00 ]
  • »14.08.23 - 20:59
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  • MorphOS Developer
    jacadcaps
    Posts: 2948 from 2003/3/5
    From: Canada
    I was able to dl a Debian ISO file at 29MB/s using Wayfarer 6.1 via a local socks5 proxy.
  • »17.08.23 - 20:20
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  • Just looking around
    Posts: 18 from 2022/8/17
    Quote:

    jacadcaps wrote:
    I was able to dl a Debian ISO file at 29MB/s using Wayfarer 6.1 via a local socks5 proxy.


    I can confirm that, after update to 6.1, down load speeds are now on par or even better than with OWB so issue seems to be resolved. Tested on the two sites I mentioned in the first post. Youtube now also seems much more responsive (probably, but maybe not only, due to faster loading of web page elements).

    Thanks a lot @jacadcaps.
  • »19.08.23 - 06:12
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