OWB vs Wayfarer speed
  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    TheMagicM
    Posts: 1197 from 2003/6/17
    Just messing around because IMO it feels as though network speed is faster. I have no proof though, just seat of the pants feel via NFS transfer.

    Anyway, I loaded OWB and then went to speedtest.net. I leave all the settings the website finds but note which server it connects to for the test so I can use the same one on Wayfarer. OWB pegs the CPU when I go to speedtest.net. Nevertheless, I am able to click GO on the webpage and my download speed is:
    download- 6.54Mbps
    upload- fails

    Wayfarer:
    Speedtest.net pegs the CPU also, just like in OWB.
    download - 31.83 Mbps
    upload - fails

    Not bad at all.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    takemehomegrandma
    Posts: 2698 from 2003/2/24
    I wonder why upload fails?
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  • jPV
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    jPV
    Posts: 1803 from 2003/2/24
    From: po-RNO
    I don't think that site gives reliable results anymore, because it has bloated quite much and something hogs all the available CPU power... for updating the meter graphics or something like that? At least I've got way better speeds when downloading files from elsewhere than what that site reports.
  • »14.10.20 - 06:42
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
    Acolyte of the Butterfly
    Posts: 128 from 2017/8/7
    Yes, Sppedtest.net has at least 3 scripts and 9 trackers/ads running. Without a decent ad blocker or PiHole it is useless. As most of the web these days...
  • »14.10.20 - 08:52
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    TheMagicM
    Posts: 1197 from 2003/6/17
    You do realize BOTH browsers have the same hindrance, right? LOL. Both have to deal with that. You can see the difference in performance.
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  • jPV
  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    jPV
    Posts: 1803 from 2003/2/24
    From: po-RNO
    Quote:

    TheMagicM wrote:
    You do realize BOTH browsers have the same hindrance, right? LOL. Both have to deal with that. You can see the difference in performance.

    Diffierence in performance with what? I would guess that the difference comes how well they can run these heavy scripts in this particular page instead of actual transfer capabilities/speeds generally.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    TheMagicM
    Posts: 1197 from 2003/6/17
    yea after testing with a few other websites, its not really a good test. False alarm, false alarm. Time to put the pitchforks down.

    LMAO
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    ThePlayer
    Posts: 1043 from 2003/3/24
    From: Hamburg/Germany
    More interesting would be the browsing performance on websites.
    Is Wayfarer faster then OWB displaying modern websites?
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  • »17.10.20 - 09:07
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    takemehomegrandma
    Posts: 2698 from 2003/2/24
    The first display them, the other doesn’t... ;-)
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  • ASiegel
    Posts: 1296 from 2003/2/15
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    @ takemehomegrandma

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    The first display them, the other doesn’t...


    Put differently, Odyssey is much faster :-)
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    koszer
    Posts: 1121 from 2004/2/8
    From: Poland
    Quote:

    ASiegel wrote:
    @ takemehomegrandma

    Quote:

    The first display them, the other doesn’t...


    Put differently, Odyssey is much faster :-)


    As for the "quickness without displaying" some IBrowse or AWeb would outperform it though. Even Sputnik would, hands down.
  • »17.10.20 - 10:06
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    Zylesea
    Posts: 2017 from 2003/6/4
    @ ThePlayer

    From my experience it differs quite depending on the actual site.
    Wayfarer is way faster on https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ in comparison to Odyssey.
    But wetteronline.de/guetersloh (or whatever actual city) is slower and remains in full load permamently. Then again the wetterticker fails completely on Odyssey since a while - Wayfarer can handle it :-). For the rain radar it's the opposite.


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    Issues that I found:
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    - Missing option to visit a site regardless of a non trusty certificate.
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    jacadcaps
    Posts: 2513 from 2003/3/5
    From: Canada
    Quote:

    Zylesea wrote:
    - Missing option to visit a site regardless of a non trusty certificate.



    Simply click on the trust icon or Show Certificate in the error message.
  • »17.10.20 - 13:52
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Cego
    Posts: 662 from 2006/5/28
    From: Germany
    Thanks for this great browser!

    I think my Peg2 with 1GHz it is just too slow. Its ok for simple sites, but as soon as Javascript heavy stuff kicks in, its over.
    Facebook is unusable and scrolling in general isnt really smooth.
    But it'll be enough for downloading amiga/morphos stuff and writing on amiga forums :)

    I think a PPC JIT for JS would increase performance by a huge margin. Deactivating it really pushed the performance even on my 1GHz G4.
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  • »17.10.20 - 13:58
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    Posts: 128 from 2017/8/7
    WayFarer
    I've tested with speedtest.net myself and over AirPort with my tiny whity iBook i've got 11Mbps down speed. Adblock and PiHole enabled.
    Upload failed "upload test error a socket error occured during the upload test. a firewall could be blocking ...".

    OWB
    Upload issue is the same.
    But OWB feels more responsive.

    Results from
    speed-battle.com/speedtest_e.php
    actually shows OWBs advantage.

    [ Edited by amifrog 06.11.2020 - 22:06 ]
  • »06.11.20 - 21:51
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    NewSense
    Posts: 1167 from 2012/11/10
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    My thoughts on speed comparison of OWB v Wayfarer has a degree of irrelevance to it, as OWB doesn't have the complexities of the inner workings of Wayfarer. OWB has been "tweaked" over the years to get the best from it, and now its "use-by-date" has almost expired. Whereas Wayfarer is only in its early days of release, "fresh off the shelf", so there's going to be lots more in its development path, and it can access so many more modern websites that OWB is now failing at even rendering the main page of a website that you really can't compare them against each other.

    I like the fluid feel of use you get with OWB as it does what it can so very, very well, but I feel we all have to look to the future ... and that's Wayfarer ... bring on v1.6 and beyond ... I'm hungry for more. :-D

    We should just be extremely happy that jacadcaps, Piru, jPV, and the others in the Dev. Team are working wonders with this latest browser that is keeping our "head-above-water" in the internet technology era we are in.
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    takemehomegrandma
    Posts: 2698 from 2003/2/24
    Quote:

    amifrog wrote:
    WayFarer
    I've tested with speedtest.net myself and over AirPort with my tiny whity iBook i've got 11Mbps down speed. Adblock and PiHole enabled.
    Upload failed "upload test error a socket error occured during the upload test. a firewall could be blocking ...".

    OWB
    Upload issue is the same.
    But OWB feels more responsive.

    Results from
    speed-battle.com/speedtest_e.php
    actually shows OWBs advantage.


    How does speed compare in sites like:

    Google Maps (with street view)
    Twitter
    Medium
    Google Docs
    Etc

    ;-)
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11445 from 2003/5/22
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    > [...] jPV, and the others in the Dev. Team are working wonders with this latest browser

    jPV is now a MorphOS development team member?
  • »07.11.20 - 09:05
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
    Acolyte of the Butterfly
    Posts: 128 from 2017/8/7
    Quote:

    takemehomegrandma wrote:
    Quote:

    amifrog wrote:
    Results from
    speed-battle.com/speedtest_e.php
    actually shows OWBs advantage.


    How does speed compare in sites like:

    Google Maps (with street view)
    Twitter
    Medium
    Google Docs
    Etc



    I am not the right person as my iBook is lacking power in every way and none of the above is in use here so i might search for others.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    NewSense
    Posts: 1167 from 2012/11/10
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > [...] jPV, and the others in the Dev. Team are working wonders with this latest browser

    jPV is now a MorphOS development team member?

    There you are again, making a spurious concoction of your own - jPV .... comma .... and the others in the Dev. Team ...]

    So there was no mention that jPV is in the Dev. Team - just jacadcaps, Piru and jPV are spending their valuable spare time working on Wayfarer along with others, it just so happens that jacadcaps and Piru are in the Dev. Team but jPV has ... and may well still be working with them.

    You spend too much of your own valuable spare (wasted) time picking apart others comments unnecessarily and to what end !!
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    amigadave
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    Quote:

    NewSense wrote:
    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > [...] jPV, and the others in the Dev. Team are working wonders with this latest browser

    jPV is now a MorphOS development team member?

    There you are again, making a spurious concoction of your own - jPV .... comma .... and the others in the Dev. Team ...]


    His selective quoting should have also included the two names right before jPV, to make his point more clear, because the sentence quoted like this;

    "jadacaps, Piru, jPV, and the others in the Dev Team" certainly makes it look like jPV is included in the Dev. Team with jadacaps and Piru, which most if not all members know those two are Dev. Team members.

    Quote:

    So there was no mention that jPV is in the Dev. Team - just jacadcaps, Piru and jPV are spending their valuable spare time working on Wayfarer along with others, it just so happens that jacadcaps and Piru are in the Dev. Team but jPV has ... and may well still be working with them.


    Instead of arguing, just admit that you wrote your sentence in a way that makes it look like jPV is included with the other two in the Dev. Team. It's as clear as day.

    Quote:

    You spend too much of your own valuable spare (wasted) time picking apart others comments unnecessarily and to what end !!


    This is/may be true, but he does catch a lot of mis-statements and mistakes that I and other members make, which can and do mislead other readers of the forums. It can be irritating, and that is how I perceived him when I first joined these forums, but now I value his precision, and overlook any irritation his posting style may occasionally trigger in me.
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11445 from 2003/5/22
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    > There you are again, making a spurious concoction of your own [...]
    > So there was no mention that jPV is in the Dev. Team

    What you wrote made me think you regarded jPV as a MorphOS team member (see also amigadave's reply, who, contrary to me, is a native English speaker like you, and he is right that the quote should better have included the preceding names). Hence my question. Why shouldn't the skilled developer that is jPV possibly have become a member? And why shouldn't it be possible that you (and others) happen to know about such fortunate team growth while I (and others) don't?

    > to what end !!

    Just to know if the MorphOS team now includes jPV (which he kindly answered), which I think would have been pleasant news not just to me.
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    jacadcaps
    Posts: 2513 from 2003/3/5
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    Quote:

    amifrog wrote:
    But OWB feels more responsive.



    OWB ends up running a lot less JavaScript on many websites - since many event-driven things will simply never trigger in Odyssey.
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    I experienced the most slowdowns with these Cookieconsent BS. I vote for a private mode, who's in with me?
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