MorphOS x86 I want this badly
  • Order of the Butterfly
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    ppcamiga1
    Posts: 204 from 2015/8/23
    As long as MOS on x86 is not good enough to justify resignation form win/lnx/osx, MOS Team has nothing.
    Without memory protection, unix compatybility and good drivers it will end in vb.
    And will be something like AROS on x86 - worse uae.
    ppc has still more life.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Zylesea
    Posts: 1962 from 2003/6/4
    Quote:

    ppcamiga1 schrieb:
    As long as MOS on x86 is not good enough to justify resignation form win/lnx/osx, MOS Team has nothing.
    Without memory protection, unix compatybility and good drivers it will end in vb.
    And will be something like AROS on x86 - worse uae.
    ppc has still more life.





    ppc does hold more life? Funny view!

    I tell you what: I don't use MorphOS by accident because I have a house stuffed with ppc-kit an dunno what else to do than running some niche OS which I would wipe out from hdd in a second if only Windows were running on these machines...

    It's not like that.
    I have a house stuffed with ppc kit becaue I want to run and use MorphOS. The software is driving the hardware, not vice versa.

    Once MorphOS x64 sees the light of day I'll buy a dedicated computer for it - just as I did several times for MorphOS already. For Windows I have already my other dedicated machines.


    [ Editiert durch Zylesea 15.10.2019 - 20:34 ]
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  • vox
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    vox
    Posts: 462 from 2003/11/25
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    What was x64 hardware MOS 3.x x64 was demoed at Amiga34?
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > What was x64 hardware MOS 3.x x64 was demoed at Amiga34?

    See comment #12 (first link).
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Everblue
    Posts: 162 from 2004/1/6
    A screenshot? :P
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    takemehomegrandma
    Posts: 2639 from 2003/2/24
    Comment #12 links to both a photo and a video of it booting... ;-)
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    TheMagicM
    Posts: 1167 from 2003/6/17
    I would completely dump PPC MorphOS for x86-64.
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    Everblue
    Posts: 162 from 2004/1/6
    I'm like ordering parts already.



    (nah, I'm at work)
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11004 from 2003/5/22
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    >>> What was x64 hardware MOS 3.x x64 was demoed at Amiga34?

    >> See comment #12 (first link).

    > A screenshot? :P

    The photo has a description with the requested information to the right of the shot screen.
  • »15.10.19 - 15:47
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Everblue
    Posts: 162 from 2004/1/6
    It was a lame joke :)
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  • Jim
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    Quote:

    TheMagicM wrote:
    I would completely dump PPC MorphOS for x86-64.


    I would dump X64 for Power9 if we supported that.
    And I am still hoping the T2080 based laptop gets produced.

    I like having different hardware (than X64).

    The PCIe G5's are a nice addition to our hardware base.

    I have my squad running with a Radeon 4770.

    We already have 64bit hardware than will support SMP, why not upgrade MorphOS PPC?

    X64 will be nice, but it isn't essential.
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  • Jim
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    Squad...hmm, I need to proofread posts, since my phone makes some stupid auto-corrections.
    Quad obviously.
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    Kronos
    Posts: 1982 from 2003/2/24
    @Jim

    Power9 and the T2080 for sure would be nice if they were our only future option but they would also more of the same old.

    An underpowered 1size-must-fit-all laptop and overpowered(priced) server/workstation misused for a desktop.

    I would really like to have a silent/small desktop (say miniITX with space for 1 PCIe as long as onboard GFX ain't no option) and laptop of my desired spec that can double to run mainstream OSes at 202x speed if needed.


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  • Jim
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    Jim
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    Quote:

    Kronos wrote:
    @Jim

    Power9 and the T2080 for sure would be nice if they were our only future option but they would also more of the same old.

    An underpowered 1size-must-fit-all laptop and overpowered(priced) server/workstation misused for a desktop.

    I would really like to have a silent/small desktop (say miniITX with space for 1 PCIe as long as onboard GFX ain't no option) and laptop of my desired spec that can double to run mainstream OSes at 202x speed if needed.


    Or to quote Mike Ehrmantraut: "No half measures".


    Good thoughts, although I don't from find the T2080 to be too underpowered and Raptor's Blackbird is suited for desktop applications (and priced comparably to an X5000).

    The commodity pricing of X64 hardware does make it attractive.
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  • »17.10.19 - 09:22
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    Quote:

    Jim wrote:

    Good thoughts, although I don't from find the T2080 to be too underpowered


    I'll bet you my MacBook (the non Air or Pro variant) will easily outperform it and thats a "slow" laptop by todays standards, let alone 202x (when/if the T2080 laptop hits the shelves).

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    and Raptor's Blackbird is suited for desktop applications


    About as suited as highend gaming system. Both can for sure do the job but with unneeded noise, space and energy.

    Quote:

    (and priced comparably to an X5000).




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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    ppcamiga1
    Posts: 204 from 2015/8/23
    I use MOS because it run on PPC, it is binary compatible with 68k software and has MUI.
    MOS is not good enough to use it exclusively on pc.
    It is simply waste of comfort and procesing power of pc.
    Without memory protection, unix compatybility, good drivers it will end in vb.
    It is not too late to make something usable.
    MUI on top of unix may have some chance.
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    ernsteiswuerfel
    Posts: 373 from 2015/6/18
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    Quote:

    ppcamiga1 schrieb:
    MUI on top of unix may have some chance.


    Erm yes, we already heard this...

    But I don't see the point. I do like using Linux and MorphOS on my PPC builds, I do like using Linux (and at some point MorphOS) on my amd64 builds. But what do I need MUI on Linux for? Most probably for nothin', as I can use MorphOS and Linux perfectly well on my current hardware...
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Posts: 156 from 2004/11/18
    Dear all, even i like PPC , moving to Amd64 is a great deal.
    It's no too much expensive and powerfull.
    Power9 is good and powerfull but the price is really expensive... many Morphos users just can't buy a such a machine.
    For me 350 euros is the max money i can spend.
    For this price i can mount by myself a ryzen pc.
    I think that most of morphos users are using morphos for the system itself and not for the apple harware.
    I prefer to buy a brand new motherboard with the hope it works for ten years than buying another diying powermac.
    It's just my opnion but having a full modern os with the look and feel of morphos is just amazing... Endianess ... Jit for uae and emulators and owb will work flawlessly most of X64 programs will be easier to port. And we will able to build our software directly on our machine.
    Now for big software we need to use cross compilation on a PC.
    The hope of a new modern Os with MUI and Ambient for core is absolutly stunning.
    I hope really that Bigfoot and the Mosteam will success. They also said they will continue to developp powerpc morphos so ... Henes has said during the Amiga34 that the new kernel work on the X5000 too.
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11004 from 2003/5/22
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    Answering myself here:

    >> PowerPC emulation [...] will ensure compatibility with existing software. [...] The current
    >> demo system [...] runs a mixture of native AMD64 code and existing PowerPC code.

    > Very interesting. How is the endianness difference handled?

    Going by this statement, I assume that this 31-bit x86 ABox is actually a big-endian ABox, so there is no endianness difference.
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  • vox
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    Posts: 462 from 2003/11/25
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    Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAUZivdbn-Q&feature=youtu.be

    3.12 Beta was also presented for Classic + PPC?

    Seems Quark is finally Quirking and could be multiarch.

    Short term Q: Which hw is supported? AMD chipsets and GFX cards :)

    Long term Qs: Will PPC branch be preserved?
    Is m68k branch possible? (Vamp)
    Will it all Morph to AMD64?

    [ Edited by vox 18.10.2019 - 09:37 ]
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    jacadcaps
    Posts: 2059 from 2003/3/5
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    Quote:

    vox wrote:
    3.12 Beta was also presented for Classic + PPC?



    We've been demoing 2.x and 3.x for years. That said, the demoed hardware barely works which makes it unlikely it'll ever be released.

    Quote:

    Short term Q: Which hw is supported? AMD chipsets and GFX cards :)


    The details on what configurations are supported will be made public when, or shortly before, it ships.

    Quote:


    Long term Qs: Will PPC branch be preserved?



    Most of us still work on PPC Macs.

    Quote:


    Is m68k branch possible? (Vamp)



    As soon as it can compete on speed with mid range Macs we currently support ;)

    Quote:

    Will it all Morph to AMD64?


    Who knows?
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  • vox
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    vox
    Posts: 462 from 2003/11/25
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    Quote:

    jacadcaps wrote:

    The details on what configurations are supported will be made public when, or shortly before, it ships.

    As soon as it can compete on speed with mid range Macs we currently support ;)



    Thanks for clear answers. Is "shiping the x64" version planned for 2020?

    Only ASIC Vamp could do 1Ghz 080 or so :) Sooo --- not sooo soon :) It competes to 604 however.


    [ Edited by vox 18.10.2019 - 12:08 ]
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    Everblue
    Posts: 162 from 2004/1/6
    Good luck getting an answer on when it will ship haha.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    TheMagicM
    Posts: 1167 from 2003/6/17
    Quote:

    jacadcaps wrote:
    Quote:

    Short term Q: Which hw is supported? AMD chipsets and GFX cards :)


    The details on what configurations are supported will be made public when, or shortly before, it ships.




    When you guys release, I'll download and register it even before I have the hardware. You guys are doing great work for a small fan base. Just know your work is appreciated!!
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    Kronos
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    Register before you have the HW?

    That requires quite some special sauce ;)
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