Mac Mini G4 adventuring
  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    stephen_robinson
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    Was it a type III or II Sata drive? I had a similar problem with those a few years back, backwards compatible my bottom,
  • »31.05.18 - 07:20
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    Kronos
    Posts: 1753 from 2003/2/24
    MacMIni == IDE/PATA

    So either a PATA-SSD or mSATA + adaptor.
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  • »31.05.18 - 08:48
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    esc
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    The hard drive specifically is this: https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/SSDMLP240/
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    Jim
    Posts: 4593 from 2009/1/28
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    Quote:

    Kronos wrote:
    MacMIni == IDE/PATA

    So either a PATA-SSD or mSATA + adaptor.



    I have had some luck using similar adapters to install SATA DVD writers in my PowerMacs.
    Since I have an RMA on an OWC SATA SSD that I will be recei ing a reacement for, I will have to see how well they work with something faster.
    But it is a cheap solution.



    [ Edited by Jim 31.05.2018 - 22:30 ]
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  • »01.06.18 - 03:28
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    Kronos
    Posts: 1753 from 2003/2/24
    Yeah.....sure......but.....

    There is simple no space in the Mini to install a 2.5“ SSD + adaptor.
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  • »01.06.18 - 06:31
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    Jim
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    Quote:

    Kronos wrote:
    Yeah.....sure......but.....

    There is simple no space in the Mini to install a 2.5“ SSD + adaptor.


    Oh, you guys always want it pretty.
    You could just pull the cover, heck I'd consider using an extension cable and using double side foam tape to stick it on the top, but no you want it to fit inside.

    OK, what are the space limitations?

    Edit: One suggestion I saw online that might intimidate some of you, but makes sense to me...
    Pull the SSD's board out of its case (which does void the warranty) and plug it into the adapter.
    You should gain enough room without the case.

    Considering the price and capacity differential, it seem worth the risk to me.

    OR, you could consider a 1.8 mSATA drive, SSD or a standard mechanical hard drive. I have seen mSATA to PATA adapters in the $13 range.

    [ Edited by Jim 01.06.2018 - 02:11 ]
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  • »01.06.18 - 06:43
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    Kronos
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    Quote:

    Jim wrote:

    heck I'd consider using an extension cable


    Been there, done that....


    ...... didn't work.

    Just like with the Efika cables are a complete nogo, both only take drives directly connected to the PCB (a small riser in the case of the MIni.

    With the Mini you have an plastic inlay which includes the fan and is designed for optimal airflow that just has the space for 1x 2.5" HDD/SSD and the slim DVD.

    Edith:
    mSATA + adaptor would be even cheaper than SATA + adaptor and you don't need to rip your drive apart.

    [ Edited by Kronos 01.06.2018 - 08:09 ]
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  • »01.06.18 - 07:07
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    Jim
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    Quote:

    Kronos wrote:
    Quote:

    Jim wrote:

    heck I'd consider using an extension cable


    Been there, done that....


    ...... didn't work.

    Just like with the Efika cables are a complete nogo, both only take drives directly connected to the PCB (a small riser in the case of the MIni.

    With the Mini you have an plastic inlay which includes the fan and is designed for optimal airflow that just has the space for 1x 2.5" HDD/SSD and the slim DVD.

    Edith:
    mSATA + adaptor would be even cheaper than SATA + adaptor and you don't need to rip your drive apart.


    Yeah, we seem to have reached that conclusion at the same time.
    I may use one of those adapters that comes with a 2.5" form factor case to upgrade my iBook.

    While you could still pull a 2.5" SSD out of its case, using a 1.8" mSATA drive is a safer route.



    [ Edited by Jim 01.06.2018 - 02:15 ]
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  • »01.06.18 - 07:13
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > we seem to have reached that conclusion at the same time.

    Nah, see comment #27 ;-)
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    Jim
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > we seem to have reached that conclusion at the same time.

    Nah, see comment #27 ;-)


    Ah, one point to the man that helped me get my first SATA controller up and running (and without a Rom flash at that).

    Great idea Kronos, I'll be using that one.
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    amyren
    Posts: 196 from 2010/5/15
    From: Norway
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    esc wrote:
    Hey guys,

    I just impulse bought a Mac Mini G4 - the 1.50ghz with the 64mb Radeon card.

    Anyway, I'm going to take it apart and upgrade the hard drive, RAM, replace the coin battery cell, and then plan to configure it for triple boot - OSX/MorphOS/Gentoo.

    I also plan to do some fun experiments in each of the OSes. I'm considering blogging this, if people think it'd be useful, but don't want to invest the time if nobody cares. Let me know if you think this would be of interest.

    Thanks!

    Just did a similar thing on my newly required Powerbook model A1138 (sort of an impulse buy that too).
    First I installed MorphOS in a dual environment with OSX. Later I did shrink the OSX partition once again to make room for linux. The installation of Lubuntu 14.04 from the live DVD was pretty straight forward. Now its updated to 16.04.
    Lubuntu is probably much more easy to get going than Gentoo, but I guess you have other reasons for choosing Gentoo. One of them might be speed?
  • »01.06.18 - 15:24
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    esc
    Posts: 124 from 2013/5/28
    Ubuntu officially dropped support for PPC so I chose Gentoo to always have update options. I’ve previously had that same PowerBook, I triple booted it as well, same setup as yours! Gentoo is much more of a pain in the neck to install, configure, and even update, but I feel more proud of the results.
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    kolla
    Posts: 102 from 2003/4/22
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    Welcome to the exclusive club of Mac Mini G4 Gentoo/Linux users!

    Code:

    [kolla@minismurf] :> qlop -l | head -n 1
    Sun Dec 31 08:19:04 2006 >>> sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-2.6.19-r2
    [kolla@minismurf] :> qlop -l | tail -n 1
    Fri Jun 1 03:40:41 2018 >>> sys-apps/openrc-0.36


    As you can see, I have been doing this for a while now :)
    -- kolla
  • »01.06.18 - 20:01
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    esc
    Posts: 124 from 2013/5/28
    @kolla nice!

    Are you using yaboot or grub2? I'm thinking of trying to get grub2 to work.

    I'm happy so far with gpu acceleration working, as well as networking, multiboot, and (finally) firefox.
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    kolla
    Posts: 102 from 2003/4/22
    @esc
    I am still using yaboot, but sine I also use kexec to boot newer kernels from existing kernels, poor yaboot is barely used at all, lol :) I should indeed try grub2, just never thought of it as OF boot menu + yaboot always worked well enough. Would love to hear more about your adventures with grub2 :) The G4 mini are quite nice Linux systems, especially when you can decide yourself what features and packages your want and need, and trim it down to that, which Gentoo is perfect for IMO. Oh, and CFLAGS, hehe.

    Btw, if you are sick of watching compilations scrolling by in your terminal window, you can set EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--quiet-build" in your make.conf and enjoy the pretty colours and stats :)

    And a heads up, in case you are experimenting - I have no go with gcc-8.1.0 and kernel building, so better keep gcc-7.3 around, at least for building kernels.
    -- kolla
  • »02.06.18 - 21:21
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    esc
    Posts: 124 from 2013/5/28
    9XUKX

    I'm rather proud of this, so far. :)
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    koszer
    Posts: 767 from 2004/2/8
    From: Poland
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    esc wrote:
    9XUKX

    I'm rather proud of this, so far. :)


    Uptime: 12m 37s
    CPU Average: 100%

    does it mean the machine is running all of the time at 100% CPU usage?
  • »07.06.18 - 06:28
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    esc
    Posts: 124 from 2013/5/28
    The computer only has one single core processor (which runs hot if Firefox is being used). The conky script I stole assumes multiple processor cores, hence the “average” wording.
  • »07.06.18 - 16:02
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