Xorg on G5
  • Paladin of the Pegasos
    Paladin of the Pegasos
    Intuition
    Posts: 1009 from 2013/5/24
    From: Englistan
    I'm planning on installing Linux on my G5, last time I tried it (year or two ago) xorg had weird graphics corruption no matter what video card I used (9650, PC X1950 and a Mac X800XT iirc).

    Anyone know if this is no longer an issue? Or a workaround if it is?
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  • vox
  • Order of the Butterfly
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    vox
    Posts: 407 from 2003/11/25
    From: Belgrade
    Luigi "gigi" Burdo is your man.

    Here is 2017 discussion https://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2221421.html

    At Google+ https://plus.google.com/+LuigiBurdo
    YT https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkb4bw4N19d-x_tn2FXLojQ

    He is even virtualizing SAM460 and X5000 under qEMu
    https://www.generationamiga.com/2017/09/03/qemu-x5000-motherboard-emulation-released-for-power-mac-g5/
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  • »28.04.18 - 05:45
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
    Paladin of the Pegasos
    Intuition
    Posts: 1009 from 2013/5/24
    From: Englistan
    Thanks, I'll have a play.
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  • »28.04.18 - 11:32
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  • vox
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    vox
    Posts: 407 from 2003/11/25
    From: Belgrade
    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > Luigi "gigi" Burdo is [...] virtualizing [...] X5000 under qEMu
    > https://www.generationamiga.com/2017/09/03/qemu-x5000-motherboard-emulation-released-for-power-mac-g5/

    I don‘t think he really managed to do this.

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=11&topic_id=12137&start=66


    Yes, user https://morph.zone/users/5212.html is defenetely Gigi here.

    Maybe its an overstatement, tried to.

    However, is advanced PPC Linux user for sure.
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    ernsteiswuerfel
    Posts: 223 from 2015/6/18
    From: Funeralopolis
    @Intuition:
    I do run Linux on the G5. The situation with Xorg-/drm-/Mesa-bugs got a little better over the last 2 years. My G5 (+ Radeon 9800 Mac Edition) is able to run now X with correct colors and a 2D-accelerated desktop. Firefox works fine too.

    However you need a recent toolchain (gcc 7) and software stack for this. No problem on Gentoo which I run, but it is more or less a problem on other distros.

    Ubuntu PPC got ditched, 16.04 LTS is the last supported version. Debian PPC ports may be recent enough. There is also openSUSE Tumbleweed for ppc64 (klick). Last time I tried, the iso successfully booted on my G5.
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  • »29.04.18 - 18:06
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
    Paladin of the Pegasos
    Intuition
    Posts: 1009 from 2013/5/24
    From: Englistan
    Quote:

    ernsteiswuerfel wrote:
    @Intuition:
    I do run Linux on the G5. The situation with Xorg-/drm-/Mesa-bugs got a little better over the last 2 years. My G5 (+ Radeon 9800 Mac Edition) is able to run now X with correct colors and a 2D-accelerated desktop. Firefox works fine too.

    However you need a recent toolchain (gcc 7) and software stack for this. No problem on Gentoo which I run, but it is more or less a problem on other distros.

    Ubuntu PPC got ditched, 16.04 LTS is the last supported version. Debian PPC ports may be recent enough. There is also openSUSE Tumbleweed for ppc64 (klick). Last time I tried, the iso successfully booted on my G5.


    Thanks Ernst. I'll have a look at SuSE. I used 5.2 up to 10 but switched to Debian and Ubuntu.

    I have a vague memory of trying the ppc64 Tumbleweed iso a while back and it not booting though.
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    ernsteiswuerfel
    Posts: 223 from 2015/6/18
    From: Funeralopolis
    Just learned there is also a relatively new Linux Distribution targetting ppc/ppc64 as tier1 supported platforms (G3, G4, G5, Talos II): Adelie Linux

    This one may be especially interesting as they do testing on Apple PPC hardware (though X1000 also reported working). And their packages depend on musl instead of glibc C standard library, so the packages consume less resources which should make the distro run faster on low end PPC hardware.

    Have to try that out by myself!
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  • »05.05.18 - 12:07
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  • ASiegel
    Posts: 1062 from 2003/2/15
    From: Central Europe
    Based on the ISO size, it seems to be rather limited in terms included packages / functionality.

    In general, it is nice that there is any interest in POWER / PowerPC these days but, for end users, if a new distribution does not include a reasonably modern web browser, then it is of limited or even no use.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 9934 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > for end users, if a new distribution does not include a reasonably
    > modern web browser, then it is of limited or even no use.

    Adélie Linux 1.0-ALPHA6 (04/2018) seems to include Otter Browser 0.9.96 (03/2018), which uses QtWebEngine/QtWebKit.
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  • ASiegel
    Posts: 1062 from 2003/2/15
    From: Central Europe
    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    Adélie Linux 1.0-ALPHA6 (04/2018) seems to include Otter Browser 0.9.96 (03/2018), which uses QtWebEngine/QtWebKit.

    It would be interesting to know which version of Webkit is being used on PowerPC specifically (as a base for QtWebkit).
  • »05.05.18 - 18:29
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  • ASiegel
    Posts: 1062 from 2003/2/15
    From: Central Europe
    Based on ernsteiswuerfel's comments on the Otter Browser's bug tracker, it sounds like there are massive endianess issues when Javascript is enabled on PowerPC:

    https://github.com/OtterBrowser/otter-browser/issues/1435

    Put differently, the browser engine may be modern but it appears to also be fairly broken.
  • »05.05.18 - 18:49
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
    Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Posts: 1009 from 2013/5/24
    From: Englistan
    Quote:

    ernsteiswuerfel wrote:
    Just learned there is also a relatively new Linux Distribution targetting ppc/ppc64 as tier1 supported platforms (G3, G4, G5, Talos II): Adelie Linux

    This one may be especially interesting as they do testing on Apple PPC hardware (though X1000 also reported working). And their packages depend on musl instead of glibc C standard library, so the packages consume less resources which should make the distro run faster on low end PPC hardware.

    Have to try that out by myself!


    Thanks for the info Ernst, I'll definitely have a play with it.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
    Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Posts: 1009 from 2013/5/24
    From: Englistan
    Void Linux has been ported to PPC

    https://forum.voidlinux.org/t/porting-void-to-powerpc/6228
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    asrael22
    Posts: 368 from 2014/6/11
    From: Germany
    I've tried the openSUSE Tumbleweed.
    And it booted, but at some stage the screen went blank and... nothing.
    Tried several times so see where it hangs. Seems like when loading X. But I gave up. Sadly, but no priority for me.


    Manfred
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    TheMagicM
    Posts: 1138 from 2003/6/17
    I'm going to try Debian 9.5. It would be awesome if it worked.

    EDIT: Hmm...dont think there is an installer for 9.5...

    [ Edited by TheMagicM 31.07.2018 - 21:37 ]
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
    Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Posts: 1009 from 2013/5/24
    From: Englistan
    Quote:

    TheMagicM wrote:
    I'm going to try Debian 9.5. It would be awesome if it worked.

    EDIT: Hmm...dont think there is an installer for 9.5...


    They don't support ppc anymore.

    NetBSD do though.


    https://wiki.netbsd.org/ports/macppc/
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