Andreas_Wolf wrote:
>> https://www.a1k.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1205395

> Although this direct link functions for non-registered users,
> moderator moved the thread today "Amiga & Phoenix Community >
> Software - Cloanto buys Amiga?" itself to forum only visible
> by registered users.

That's a different thread. The above-linked comment is from "Amiga & Phoenix Community > Software - Hyperion vs. Cloanto, et. al. Update" thread.

KennyR wrote:
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That is neither Hyperion's binary nor its sourcecode.

rob wrote:
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He still managed to get the "impossible to get" source code from Hyperion.

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
>>> Although this direct link functions for non-registered users,
>>> moderator moved the thread today "Amiga & Phoenix Community >
>>> Software - Cloanto buys Amiga?" itself to forum only visible
>>> by registered users.

>> That's a different thread. The above-linked comment is from "Amiga
>> & Phoenix Community > Software - Hyperion vs. Cloanto, et. al. Update" thread.

> Yes. I know it is a different thread

Seems I read more into the little word 'itself' than was meant to be

> Surely the recent news is applicable to the lawsuit, so I merely don't see
> how the recent topic became unworthy of viewing by non members.

Don't forget that the older thread was not visible to non-members during its entire active time in July/August 2018. It only became visible months later when a1k.org partially re-opened to non-members. So it may be they just forgot to move this thread to member-only area after that, and that they'll move the thread as soon as some member brings it to top by commenting in it

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
"What I was replying to and calling completely made-up nonsense is your claim that Hyperion would stand in the way of legal sites like now-defunct Amiga games website Back2roots appearing again, which had legal permission from the software companies to distribute Amiga games."

Andreas_Wolf wrote:

Cloanto or C-A Acquisition Corp. did not purchase Amiga Inc.

Cloanto hasn't been known as a hardware company so far.

redrumloa wrote:
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Come on... Don't split hairs. Someone paid a half million to get them current.

Cloanto hasn't been known as a hardware company, but no reason that wouldn't change now that they are Amiga. Someone could approach Cloanto for a license to the Amiga brand. Could be an "Amiga 500 Mini" which seems to be all the rage these days, slapping a tiny arm board in a small pretty case running an emulator. Or someone could license the name and slap an "Amiga 6000" label on Tallos boards.

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
>> Cloanto or C-A Acquisition Corp. did not purchase Amiga Inc.

> Someone paid a half million to get them current.

...and a company with the same owner as Cloanto purchased the remaining Amiga IP from them months later.

>> Cloanto hasn't been known as a hardware company so far.

> no reason that wouldn't change now that they are Amiga. Someone
> could approach Cloanto for a license to the Amiga brand.

This would make Cloanto as much a hardware company as the "Amiga" license given to Philippe Lang, IContain or Commodore USA made Amiga Inc. Delaware a hardware company.

Imagine you go to a bakery. You don't want to buy the entire bakery,
just the bagels. The bakery puts the bagels into a plastic bag. They
hand you the bag and you examine the bagels, pay for them, and take
them home. Amiga Games Inc, in a business sense, is like the plastic
bag. First it was owned (or controlled) by Amiga Inc (Bill McEwen),
Amiga Inc filled it with the stuff Writer's Group wanted to buy.
Writer's Group examined the contents, paid for it, and took it home.
(Not a perfect metaphor, but hopefully it helps illustrate the
relationship between Amiga Inc, Amiga Games Inc, and Writers Group)

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
I'm almost inclined to root for Hyperion, just to have you and your paranoid delusions proven wrong

takemehomegrandma wrote:
@ Andreas_Wolf

Of course nobody (also true for the individual developers) can get all IP rights from one hand. But having been persistently working towards making this possible during the last many, many years, is going to result in one of Cloanto's biggest achievements ever! OS4 has stalled in limbo, unpaid disgruntled "Boing Ball" developers have either paused, halted or they went home and took their ball with them. Major announced and promised developments never got finished, and key stuff like their flagship file system suddenly went MIA. OS3 "Checkmark" developers has let their work be published by Hyperion (even with an abomination "Boing Ball" logo), but at the same time they have been kind of careful about it, keeping their distance in a way, not even accepting financial rewards from sales for example. I think they have been monitoring the situation to see how things are being played out, not wanting to upset anyone more than necessary, keeping doors to alternative futures open.

And why not (a good idea even?), considering Cloanto's open quest for the community to suggest a plausible future path for the governance of Amiga:
https://amigaworld.net//modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=42002&forum=2

Hyperion seems to have reached the end of the line. Just like H&P once did. And Cloanto has a track record in circumventing stalled publishers (H&P) by approaching IP-owning individual developers directly, which "Workbench 3.X" (~OS3.9+ ATM IMHO) is an example of. Not saying it *will* happen with neither "3.1.4" nor "4.x", but it certainly is a possibility. It's a bit up to the developers as well, I suppose. Letting their efforts die off, or having it playing a part in an Amiga future? Maybe even the flagship file system might return to OS4 in an updated version, who knows?

The post-commodore trend has been that the IP over the years has become more and more scattered, a development that is now (thanks to Cloanto) going in the opposite direction. "Commodore"? Well, who knows, but as I said in comment #565 I think the name "C-A Acquisition Corp" is food for imagination. A name that suggest a certain particular purpose; literally to acquire the C-A.


The above image (~2 weeks old?) shows Paul Andrews from Retro Games, Mike Battilana from Cloanto, and David Pleasance, who was the Managing Director of CBM UK Ltd from 1993 - 1995, having been with Commodore UK since 1983. Without doubt, they are talking about new Commodore hardware (with or without the brand, nudge nudge "C-A Acquisition Corp").

Things can happen. And Cloanto has a track record of enabling stuff like this. The PPC enabled Amiga Forever, who in a single package could emulate everything from 1.0 68k to 4.1 PPC, quickly became the OS4 best-seller, before Hyperion killed it by violating yet some agreements and starting their trade mark wars.

P.S.
"The Walker" never became a product, thus "3.2" was ever merely a work in progress. "3.1.4" is in a way an extension of that work, and if those additions to 3.1 doesn't reward a .1 version bump in itself (historically, the evolution of the .1 steps has been even less), then maybe a selective merger of "3.1.4" and "Workbench 3.X" would? The important thing is to get away from the three-placeholder-version scheme that has always been an abomination.

Andreas_Wolf wrote:

> Paul Andrews from Retro Games, Mike Battilana from Cloanto, and
> David Pleasance [...] are talking about new Commodore hardware
> (with or without the brand, nudge nudge "C-A Acquisition Corp").

How could it be "Commodore hardware" without the Commodore brand?

number6 wrote:
@thread

Just a mere observation concerning the transfer of assets:

When Amiga was sold before, it received main stream media coverage.
I don't see anything resembling a press release from anyone this time.

Anyone else find anything? (other than amiga centric sites)

#6

KennyR wrote:

Anyway, it's possible that Cloanto have done this under the radar to escape the attentions of the vast army of patent trolls out there who threaten to sue for the slightest reason.