Succinct as always Andreas.

I guess I think of the lack of backing evidence for the charge against Trevor as a form of bias, but again its down to our perceptions and personal beliefs.

I also don't buy the "Hyperion doesn't receive money for later ports of OS4" claim either.
All evidence points to Aeon's very existence being based on Trevor's personal interests, not practical business considerations or a desire to earn significant profits.

Also, I'm skeptical about the total sums that have claimed to have been invested by all parties in the latter day Amiga community, it seems inordinately large, and a remarkably amount of litigation has occurred over the control of some really dated IP that serves a very limited market.

It doesn't make economic sense.

>>> The [...] document referenced is highly biased.

>> I don't see any bias in the referenced document, but it doesn't
>> contain anything about any funding by Dickinson either.

> I guess I think of the lack of backing evidence for the charge
> against Trevor as a form of bias

...but on the side of the "Amiga Documents" author, not the author of the referenced document. Maybe the "Amiga Documents" author meant to reference this comment to the referenced document instead, but that's far from worthy as a source document I guess.

> I'm skeptical about the total sums that have claimed to
> have been invested by all parties in the latter day Amiga
> community, it seems inordinately large

At least the sum claimed by Hyperion as of 2013 seems completely plausible to me.

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I couldn't disagree more here. Cloanto seems to have acted in good faith for most of it's existence. Off the top of my head I can only think of one questionable issue and that's inclusion of P5 firmware without permission. Overall they seem to be an ethical company operating in a den of thieves.

What has Cloanto produced? Perfect Paint? Amiga Explorer? Amiga Forever itself? When's the last time you tried Amiga Forever? It's pretty good these days. I bought the value download edition for mainly the roms a few years back for the whopping price of something like $1.49. The premium editions have a lot of nice turn-key options. For casual users UAE can be daunting, Amiga Forever is easy.

JMO, YMMV

[ Edited by redrumloa 19.06.2018 - 10:57 ]

Actually, they gave me a copy of AmigaForever several years ago, gratis, so I'm probably being a bit hard on them.
Personal Paint they had help with.

>Overall they seem to be an ethical company operating in a den of thieves.

That seems to be the view from all the different vantage points.

Our developers don't operate as a company, but I'd definitely give them a nod about ethical behavior.

I don't see any true blackguards here, just a spectrum of grays.

Both Cloanto and Hyperion derive their right from business agreements with Amiga Inc.

Its all tainted fruit.

[ Edited by Jim 19.06.2018 - 11:53 ]

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Perfect Paint was free of cost and developed by someone else. It has no relation to Cloanto's commercial Personal Paint software, which they first launched in 1992.

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Thanks for clearing that up, I got it confused.

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I have since discovered copies of the Hyperion amended complaint as well:

for those interested

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> I have since discovered copies of the Hyperion amended complaint [...]

Thanks for sharing. I find #61, #62, #118, #126 and #G (Prayer for Relief) particularly funny. Also #I and #J in the Prayer for Relief ("[...] Kickstart 1.3 code in conjunction with AmigaOS 4.x") seem outlandish to me.

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This is why I dated the 2 claims.
Cloanto's amended claim is meant to be direct response to Hyperion's amended claim.

What you point out seems to tie in with what AmigaDocuments stated:

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Sorry I can't find a thread dedicated to the changing status of the amiga.com website, so I'll just add this here instead:

and all that follows

Could be nothing. Could be something. You decide.

To be clear, prior to this it was a wordpress contact page since October, 2017 with all the former "content" removed.

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It should be noted that "Rirel 33 lrnef" is the ROT13 of "Every 88 years".

I'm assuming 33 years would have been a reference to Amiga's release in 1985, but whatever towering intellect dreamed up this nonsense can't even use ROT13 properly. Fail.

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Just to bring things up to date:

Prior postings of public documents (readable):

Hyperion amended complaint of April 12, 2018

Cloanto amended complaint of May 25, 2018

Which have more recently been followed by 2 Hyperion responses (July 6 and July 20) to the Cloanto amended complaint (above)

Source
#37 and #34 are both in response to #29 as indicated and both require purchase.
If anyone feels so inclined, do so and report as to the contents.

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New filings:

and post #597

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Veritable boatload of new material released:

Source

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Boatload? You or AW formulate Cliff Notes on it yet?

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court decision regarding motion to consolidate the 2 cases

Not public atm.

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Document now available:
See item 20

and

Cloanto Corporation v. Hyperion Entertainment C.V.B.A.

Status:terminated July 30,2018

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re-reading documents to correct this post.


Okay, I think I understand what has happened. The original case number(s) have been "terminated", because they have all been consolidated into a new case number, and assigned to judge Martinez, in the State of Washington.

At first, your quote above "Status:terminated July 30, 2018" confused me, but I think I have it straight now.

[ Edited by amigadave 03.08.2018 - 09:40 ]

I'm just glad that the OS I support isnt caught up in this legal mess.

> The original case number(s) have been "terminated", because they have all been consolidated
> into a new case number, and assigned to judge Martinez, in the State of Washington.

Only the older case number (Cloanto vs. Hyperion) has been terminated, because that case has been consolidated with the newer case (Hyperion vs. Itec, Amiga, Amino, Cloanto). The case number of the consolidated cases is that of the newer case, which has been assigned to judge Martinez in the State of Washington all along.

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As it applies to the dates of filings related in this thread:

Questions about some Belgian company's legal status

Please see:

for update

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Addendum:

>> Source
>> Source

> I read those too. Interesting ones indeed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN7C6q5cs7M

Edit: transcript and background info
Edit2: interesting comment

[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 24.12.2018 - 19:05 ]

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Apparently a portion of one of the audio clips alluded to indeed. ty

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Amiga32 meeting report

courtesy: AmigaDocuments

Source

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Whilst this was an interesting read it Would be nice to know the source of the witness to these conversations don’t you think?